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A doctor, his patient and Senator McGuaran : Comments

By Leslie Cannold, published 29/7/2005

Leslie Cannold argues terrible things happen when politicians use people as a means to their own ends.

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Leslie clearly doesn't consider life too important, especially when she states:

"Indeed, since that termination in 2000, an increasingly defensive medical practice has left many Victorian women stranded at precisely the moment when they most need support: upon learning their foetus is stricken with a serious or lethal disorder."

So in other words, if the unborn child has a serious or lethal disorder (and what exactly defines that anyway?), there should be some automatic right/option to have an abortion.

Leslie also ignores that many post-abortion women have suffered psychological discomfort (guilt, remorse). The post-abortion suffering is incomparable with the temporary and most likely, medically treatable depression that a pregnant mother may face.

Sure it can still be treated, but I would think it would be better to stop the trauma of abortion (by stopping the abortion) and then help the mother with pregnancy support and counselling during and after the birth of the child. Why put mothers at risk of psychological problems and guilt, remorse etc for life by allowing them to have abortions?

Please Leslie, come out from the shadows of the feminism of the 1970s and smell the roses and the value of life!
Posted by Dinhaan, Friday, 29 July 2005 8:37:15 PM
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This doctor involved should be jailed. He has clearly contravened the Crimes Act law on Child Destruction. Leslie Cannold can throw up the red herring of patient confidentiality. What about the other patient, the one inside the mother?

Her article should be titled "A Doctor and his TWO patients", only one of whom left the hospital alive. pro abortionists are so ethically bankrupt that they see no problem with aborting babies that are viable and clost to full term. Leslie cannold won't be satisfied until we live in a society that celebrates all abortions at all stages of pregnancy. She may consider herself a feminist. But her crusade is continuing to hurt women all over the country, by turning them against their own children. Shame on you leslie Cannold. Shame.
Posted by mcrwhite, Saturday, 30 July 2005 1:30:28 PM
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Lets us not forget the new frontier in science. Stem cells. This is the new frontier of curing and treating other disease.

Aborted foetus's are a source of supply.

I however find that the woman who had her foetus aborted due to major abnormalities had every right to have her wishes carried out.

It is a mother nightmare that he child should be born with such a disease or any disease for that matter.

Aborting the foetus and on reflection of the lady in question, although sad, the reality of life without a special burden would be of relief.

Knowing that also when you die, the child would have to also exist within systems without you. It is a tough world out there and we do not know what is in stall for our disabled citizens of Australia.

At last account from our Government they were closing down institutions of help and sending all out into the community with an insistance that they start to become productive workers.

What would this childs life be like in 18 years.
Posted by suebdoo2, Saturday, 30 July 2005 8:57:42 PM
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That last post was so incoherent, and contained such flawed logic that it bordered on self parody.

Sue justifies abortion because we can advance science by extracting the unborn child from the mother. Well, if you could advance sceince by using teenagers for fully conscious open heart surgery experiments we still wouldn't do it. Killing people to advance science is out of order.

Also, to say that life will be difficult is no reason to justify killing someone. How difficult does a life has to be before it is deemed unworthy of living? Who decides Sue? Death is not a solution for the problems you are talking about. I think it is sad you even entertain the notion that abortion is a solution to shortfalls in other government policies. It's like saying, the government doesn't subsidise enough child care centers so let's kill off some burdensome toddlers. I won't stand for that Sue.
Posted by mcrwhite, Sunday, 31 July 2005 1:07:25 AM
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Can we have some posts that are ON topic please?

I believe that Leslie was arguing about the release of confidential medical information about a private citizen for the objective of pursuing a political agenda. If this is true then her conclusion of vexation is correct.

For those who wish to discuss the pros and cons of abortion there is another thread for that discussion.
Posted by Trinity, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 7:09:45 AM
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What an appalling story - is there no depth to which the anti-abortion crew will not stoop in their quest to turn back the clock? Despite the fantasies of a couple of posters here, the doctor in question is responsible for the wellbeing of his actual patient, rather than a potential one. Women are people in law and practice, foetuses are not.

McGauran is clearly riding roughshod over the rights of the woman in question and the professional ethics of the doctor, in order to score a few political points and increase his standing among the right-to-lifers in his constituency. Such political cynicism is shameful. McGauran should be banished to political oblivion at the earliest electoral opportunity.
Posted by garra, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 7:28:40 AM
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