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Nuclear insurance : Comments

By Gary Brown, published 17/6/2005

Gary Brown argues nuclear weapons are terrible things but they may be the one factor that prevents World War III

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How then does the desire of states to develop nuclear weapons fit with this beneficial view? By this argument, nuclear proliferation doesn't present any difficulty (nobody's going to use them) indeed it will add a sense of security to regions where there there may not be one currently.

That the nuclear club don't want new members suggests that there is a problem with states possessing nuclear weapons. There is a problem with programs intended to develop the know how. Are they elites or hypocrites or worse?

You can use a nuclear weapon if you haven't got one - one statement that can't be rationalised in diplomospeak. As the global political climate changes in the years ahead who knows what rationalisations will be made (eg access to oil reserves) to justify the presently unthinkable.
Posted by mjjl, Friday, 17 June 2005 11:07:41 AM
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I am very surprised that the article had no mention of the India/China interface.
I believe that India's nuclear armament developments have been due, not in relation to confrontation between itself and Pakistan, but to apprehension about China's developing might. While that pair of giants progressively increase their nuclear arms capacity, the rest of the world has every reason to be apprehensive.

Maybe no country is likely, by initiating a nuclear attack, to bring about the possibility of its own destruction by reprisal. But there is every probability that it will go down fighting if it believes it is about to be destroyed.
Mistakes do happen - no matter how carefully managed a human enterprise is put together. And if nations and others find themselves already at rock-bottom with nothing to lose, as Al-Queda and similarly desperate entities already believe, nuclear hell becomes acceptable to them.

While USA and Russia might be off the agenda for the moment, there are many other opportunities for nuclear armaments disaster. The USA, by dictating nuclear disarmament by others while continuing to further develope its own capacity does nothing to diminish the terrifying problem.
Posted by colinsett, Friday, 17 June 2005 11:25:04 AM
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Until 1945 only the US had atomic weapon. The following decade the USSR, China and France quickly developed their own programs. A decade later India and Pakistan surprised the world with their own and the saga continues.

When countries produce WMDs in tens, hundreds and thousands coupled with long range missiles, the vicious circle of fear drive other contries to develop their own. WMD technology is becoming more and more accessible.

The illusion of self defense is not a valid argument anymore as it is becoming more and more likely that:
a) a WMD is likely to be used by individuals or groups rather than governments/ sovereign states.

b) It is likely to be used as a 'hate statement' rather than a last resort. The likes of Bin Laden and the Timothy McVeigh just hate the rest of the world and could care less about the consequences as we have seen in recent years.

Now the real irony is in a likely scenario of WMD attack by a terror group, retaliation by a WMD cannot be an option. In an ideology based group if BinLaden used WMDs in Russia they will not go and Nuke Yemen because it is home town. In the Mcveigh scenario the US government will not respond with WMD on its own US states.

In history there are lessons for those who think.
The only win in a nuclear game is not to play. Collective conscious disarmement is what is needed. A single body managed by a 'restructured" UN is the only answer I can think of.

Food for thoughts.

Ash
Posted by Fellow_Human, Friday, 17 June 2005 8:22:48 PM
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Ay, there's the rub.

"The only win in a nuclear game is not to play. Collective conscious disarmement is what is needed. A single body managed by a 'restructured" UN is the only answer I can think of."

The unfortunate part of all this is that you cannot un-invent nuclear weapons. Asking people to disarm, all at the same time, and with no residual pockets of (terrorist?) capability is literally unachievable. People are not like that. Some nations/peoples hold grudges against perceived injustices for centuries, how do you propose to ask them to put all of those in a heap and burn them?

Regrettably, some form of continuing balance, admittedly unsatisfactory and still potentially dangerous, is the best we can ever hope for.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 18 June 2005 10:47:59 AM
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Hi Pericles,

My point is WMDs are not relevant to balance of power when the likely use scenarios is to be used by inidviduals or groups and not governments or sovereign states.

By the way, the armament race is back again since 2003 between the US and the Russians. The star wars program drove the russians to develop the SS24 (multi nuclear warhead capable of hitting 10,000 Kms targets in less than 25 minutes)..That proves my point.

The balance of power need to be balanced. You can develop x capability to defend your self, but when you develop too much of this capability to reach far targets or develop a capbility to destroy any defence capability of your opponent, the arms race starts again.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Saturday, 18 June 2005 11:24:21 AM
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>>My point is WMDs are not relevant to balance of power when the likely use scenarios is to be used by inidviduals or groups and not governments or sovereign states.<<

I hear what you say, Ash, but it is hardly likely that a terrorist organization would take the trouble to deploy nuclear weapons if they didn't have some form of territorial objective, underlying which would no doubt be an economic purpose too.

I would agree with you that the expression "balance of power" becomes irrelevant in this context, but would suggest "significant deterrent" would substitute. My concern is the realities of disarmament, and the political quagmire that would be the governance of it. I'm unconvinced that the UN has sufficient credibility any longer to take on the task, and would hesitate to nominate another body.

It's here to stay. We can't wish it away, we have to learn to cope.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:08:48 AM
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