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We need to get off this magic roundabout (it's going nowhere) : Comments

By Ross Elliott, published 6/12/2023

Heavy rail is revealed as horrendously expensive to build, expensive to operate and seemingly incapable of moving the dial on mode share: it doesn't succeed in getting many cars off the road.

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Going nowhere due to the now horrendous of energy and all that flows from that. Making the case for no new rail my support the taxi industry, the trucking and bus industries. That in spite of the fact the rail is cheaper and far more efficient and relieves gridlock.

If we could buy some Chinese MS Thorium reactors and they are for sale, we could use some to burn nuclear waste and do so in complete walk away safety! Burning fuel, we are paid annual millions to take.

And as we burn this free fuel reduce half-life from thousands of years to just 3-400! And create the world's cheapest industrial energy. And make Australia a nation that once again makes and sells stuff.

Getting the cost of energy down will take the wind out of the sails of inflation and the cost wage spiral.

Then, all the prevents the construction of rapid rail and fast commuter rail, is government ineptitude, politics, political point scoring and prevarication.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 6 December 2023 9:05:15 AM
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When Japan built its rapid rail system it produced huge economic benefit.

We could do likewise as off the books funding. Once we've taken the wind out of the sails of inflation. As aforementioned above.

The value of the completed projects can then be used to completely offset the cost of building these assets by simply moving the value of the new asset to the other side of the ledger.

It's the same financial strategy the banks use to lend many times more than they hold in assets or cash. If we do it, we can add government backing and the financial resources of the reserve bank of Australia.

Getting the cost of energy way down and creating a energy selling superpower won't hurt us either, just the very opposite.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 6 December 2023 9:22:24 AM
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I find it hard to believe that rail is not worth the cost when I sit
on the station loosing count of the containers as the freight goes
through !
Minute after minute it takes at about 60 km/hr.
It seems to go on forever.
Two locos up the front with a driver and his mate. He is not a fireman
now of course. It would take hundreds of trucks and drivers on the
roads and it could not move at that speed.
I have driven alongside these trains occasionally and they are doing
about 90km/hr.
A lot less fuel used compared to what the trucks would need.
Nothing is as efficient as steel wheel on steel rail !
The lines can be electrified, so nukes could fuel it all.
Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 12:20:39 PM
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Passenger rail is of course a different kettle.
The high speed rail, such as been talked about for years, in a country
like Australia cannot compete with airlines. Few cities too far apart.
However the cost can be shared with freight provided provision is made
to share the track with both classes of traffic.
It might mean slower passenger trains and faster freight trains.
The Sydney to Newcastle and Brisbane VFT needed a new Hawkesbury
crossing bridge and that was where it fell down, the new bridge needed
was about the size of the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
Also a new tunnel from north of Castle Hill to Central would be needed.
Also a new tunnel from Central to south of Liverpool needed for the
Melbourne service.
It just did not seem possible to do it to compete with the airlines.
It all seemed too hard.
Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 1:20:51 PM
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In France their high-speed rail beats the airlines regularly. No reason why we couldn't do that here. And if we invest in VLT then 900 klms is very possible given 3500 is the current upper limit.

Station to station and CBD in a little over three hours doable and one would assume rail with their schedules are less likely to cancel.

If we roll out rapid rail and nothing but the political will prevents, the airlines will need to seriously lift their game and put downward pressure on the fares they charge.

We need to learn the lessons that privatisation gave us and when we roll out rapid rail, keep it in public hands!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 6 December 2023 1:52:19 PM
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Every passenger rail service looses money on every passenger it carries.

What a great reason to add more passenger rail services to the endless government waste. Quick lets build more railway lines so we can get rid of more of this excess money lefty governments love to throw at union jobs.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 1:55:49 PM
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