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It’s time for doctors to join a public debate on Covid policies and treatments : Comments

By Christopher Neil, Duncan Syme and Jeyanthi Kunadhasan, published 26/5/2023

Though bloodletting was already being questioned in the 16th century, Dr Benjamin Rush, a prominent public health advocate was an aggressive proponent of bloodletting.

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Aseems ignorance will cause him trouble.

Covid, it turns out, was the best invention ever, for scorching the lower classes of their wealth, and sending it all swiftly up the ladder to the top.

Investing in property from the “get rich quick” Covid manipulated housing market, is the go-to scheme of the moment, and shut-up about how the experts achieved it.

Without doubt such an inquiry would be very enlightening.
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 26 May 2023 9:41:05 AM
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Covid vaccine is not perfect but unquestionably saved millions of lives. And further research and development will give us a vaccine no variant can resist.

Doctors are not the suppositories of all medical wisdom and often accept big pharma's dictum as gospel. Like the BS that testosterone may cause cancer. And offer very expensive steroids in its place that come with some very nasty side effects, like almost irreversible ED.

Testosterone is a natural vascular dilator, and Viagra does much the same has saved millions of lives by increasing blood flow to the heart. It also changes white fat cells to brown one and helps with weight loss and or control.

It also helps to keep old men falling out of bed while asleep. Boom, boom.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 26 May 2023 12:00:33 PM
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PHIZER - never had any data studies done to back up what they were saying. That this is, "a disease of the unvaccinated" and "the only people in hospital were the unvaccinated" which was never true.

Where were the publically shown data numbers to prove that?

They should have had studied data lists, with these Headiings

VACCINATED. UNVACCINATED. COVID INFECTIONS HOSPITALISATION

JOHN SMITH. ...... ..... .....

When PHIZER WAS asked by the European Union Parliament to produce those studies to the Parliament about 6months ago.
They had done no such data study.

Which throws up the question. What did they base their assertion that it was a disease of the Unvaccinated On?
And they were never called to produce comparisons lists of the vaccinated and unvaccinated in hospitals. All we had was them saying it was true.
Two Phizer employees said at the EU enquiry,they had never had any data like that

I've seen videos of nurses saying the hospitals were just as full of the vaccinated.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 26 May 2023 9:18:05 PM
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Alan B
You say the Covid vaccines saved millions, I doubt that.
There is no real data that the vaccines even worked.

It's likely the death toll would have been the same despite the vaccine.
The lies were on display when Omicron came to Australia.
Omicron was extremely contagious and spread through millions quickly
but it wasn't really dangerous anymore. Killing mainly over 75's and people in their 80's

But that didn't stop politicians declaring on TV that it was their
latest booster that caused the milder outcome of the virus
although they were told by African Drs who dealt with Omnicron first,
that it was no longer very dangerous. No worse than a cold or a mild flu for most people and they weren't seeing many deaths from it.

Didn't stop the lying Politicians claiming the lack of deaths from
Omnicron was because of their. Booster vaccine
No! It was the virus itself, which had mutated into a different survival strategy, as often happens with deadly bacteria and pathogens.

The disease finds it doesn't have a body to live in any more if it kills every body it is living in. It adapts to the better survival strategy of being more contagious and having more bodies to spread into by not killing off its victims

I watched a very credentialed epedimiolgist an old professor say he thought the virus would evolve like this, if it followed the mutation pathway, often adapted by killer pathogens.
Actually I had come across this knowledge somewhere years before so I knew what he was referring to.

Luckily Omnicron did follow this pattern.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 26 May 2023 10:05:27 PM
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It appears someone doesn't like covid vaccines.
I wonder if their distaste applies to other vaccines as well?
Should we discontinue the use of all vaccines?
Let nature take its course, and kill off a large proportion of the population?
In the long run, that would be good, as then nature can apply its 'survival of the fittest' rule?
But we won't do it, because the short term effect of the loss of family members will deter us.
We don't want to turn the clock back hundreds of years?

So we will continue to fight disease by all means possible.
No 'cure' is perfect, and there will be side effects we don't want.
But treatment can be selected so that the benefit outweighs the downside.
We still need to be mindful of the possible harm which can ensue, and be vigorous as we assess advantage.
And keep in mind too that many persons will have a high natural resistance to some diseases.
But overall we must continue as we are.
Unless we find a better way.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Saturday, 27 May 2023 12:39:51 PM
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What IF says.

Imagine life with smallpox, polio, and numerous other pathogens many of which are quite lethal. Covid came along and there was no natural immunity. Albeit, some did not get very ill at all while old people were dropping like flies. Vaccines have served us well, and some old people have still got much to contribute intellectually.

So let her rip Boris is entirely unacceptable, except for folk with a Nazi like mindset.

I believe young people were less affected because of better cardiovascular systems and better oxygenation of the body's cells. And says to me, we should include EDTA chelation therapy and hypobaric treatment to load the cells with saturated oxygen as part of prevent and follow up treatment for the elderly.

As for the vaccine, I took it without hesitation, as the best available option open to me at the time. I've also had smallpox vaccination and ditto polio. And a suite of other vaccines. Thank God we now have some for diphtheria and whooping cough, just to name a couple with infant death tolls that we can live without.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 27 May 2023 1:33:11 PM
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