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Achieving NetZero : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 9/2/2023

But the records written in the rocks tell a far different story about climate changes. Even when nature was in full control, it was not a serene place.

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The thing to keep in mind is when all those prehistoric disasters occurred the Earth didn't have 8 billion humans. Even a quarter million years ago if things got tough in one area the occupants relocated. These days they'll arrive in boats and everybody will get upset.

It may be true that another long cold spell is on the way. Within a decade or two we'll have burned almost all of the oil and gas and the remaining coal will be inferior or deeper. The problem is getting past 2050. For that reason alone we should use the remaining fossil fuels sparingly.
Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 9 February 2023 8:09:36 AM
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Puny humans have absolutely no control over nature. Net Zero is a load of rubbish that will never eventuate. The usual thugs are using climate change to rip more money off us, and to control us. The nonsense going on now will be looked back on as the greatest hoax in history.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 9 February 2023 8:15:18 AM
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Net Zero is merely a Woke term for 'let's get our grubby fingers on their money" !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 9 February 2023 8:42:37 AM
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There is no science behind Net Zero. It was invented by the left, but seamlessly adopted by the right, as yet another proxy for endless growth.

The numbers don't lie. Since global climate policy became a thing 30 years ago, global population has increased from 5b to 8b. And global emissions have also increased, more or less pro rata.

The fruitless quest for Net Zero has become yet another excuse, to do nothing about over-population, habitat destruction, and land clearing.
Posted by Steve S, Thursday, 9 February 2023 11:08:23 AM
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Viv, what you need to understand is, the natural climate is controlled by the sun, her waxing and waning phases. When she waxes the joint heats up and when she wanes as since the mid-seventies (NASA) she cools.

And that isn't what's been happening. With the hottest years on record and extreme heat waves and long enduring droughts. That said, I agree with your comments regarding net zero and trying to achieve it with extremely expensive renewables. Regenerative farming, if standard practise across this wide brown land, would absorb all the emissions we create here.

But pointless when 3 billion people across the globe use wood and dung to heat their homes, cook their food etc. And between India and China, they're opening up one new coal-fired power plant every week.

I don't give a monkey's if our foreign owned and operated coal mines and coal-fired power plants become stranded assets. Before the war in the Ukraine is over. We could be paying as much as 3 dollars or more for diesel?

The solution is and has always been nuclear, not just any nuclear but MSR thorium and MSR nuclear waste burners and prices as low as 3 Cents PKWH for the former and 1 cent or less PKWH for the latter.

Nuclear technology and proven science will allow us to make all the (extremely price competitive) fuel, fertilizers and plastics we need from abundant/inexhaustible seawater. And inexhaustible hydrogen (the fuel of the future) as well.

Stationary diesels can run on homemade on farm methane (biogas). All one needs is a bit of steel wool in the air intake to enrich the mixture and you can run almost anything. Anyone handy with a welder can build the (closed cycle, smell free) fermentation tank(s).

Bitching endlessly about what we cannot change, with the current drongos in charge, helps SFA! And as long as you and endlessly bitching folk like you want to support yesterday's coal. Carbon free nuclear options will remain forever pigeonholed. Think about it or better yet, just think. Even if that's a new and novel experience.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 9 February 2023 11:13:01 AM
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Indy. You need to try and speak from a little higher up. Woke has nothing to do with manmade climate change. And judging others by your own grubby, money faced standards, doesn't help anything or anyone. We're not all like you. Some of us do give a monkey's for the other bloke.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 9 February 2023 11:22:15 AM
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