"Australia's largest immigration program ever. Voters get no say". And less than a third of voters actually wanted Labor. But, so what? The other mob is hooked on mass immigration, too. They wouldn't have given voters a say either.

Do voters even deserve a say? They have no interest in anything much more than themselves and indulging themselves. Younger voters don't even believe in democracy. It is the voters who have enabled these trashy politicians to do as they please.

Perhaps Diver Dan is right. Voting by plebs makes no difference. Democracy is dying; and there are enough useful idiots for extreme Socialism in Australia to kill it right off. Australia is rooted. Rooted by Australians.

There's something wrong with a system where the existing population doesn't want something but the dominant political parties do. A misconception is that some current conditions (eg ample water supply) are permanent while others (eg expensive energy) are temporary. When Covid, fuel trading and weather patterns settle down I think it will become clearer Australia could better handle a population of say 15m not 26m and rising.

Note the various back door ruses that enable temporary visas to be expanded into permanent residence. They include students, farm workers and family re-unions. Most have little hope of buying a house. As they get older and sicker they will burden the health care system. The current solution seems to be more migrants including health professionals who are taken away from the needs of their home countries. See what happens as conditions return to normal.

Addressing comment of ttbn:

Israel to the polls today.

Let’s see how bright they are.

The most stable governments are totalitarian.
The most unstable government is the US.

Nuclear arm Iran one day, disarm it the next. The Israel dilemma.

Dan.

Agree! During the war years indolent employers had no other choice than train and employ the people we had. If skills were missing, we had to train those we had with the missing skills.

I mean one can take a year twelve train them for three months to have a reasonably competent nuclear technologist. Other trades and technologies can be similarly managed with responsible oversight.

We have many older folks with skill sets who were shown the door after 45 or so. simply young Turks thought that that was the use by date, and we have lots of young people that these older people could mentor but for the (shite for brains) management policies of the aforementioned.

What we need and missing is a sensible/sane energy policy. And couple the world's cheapest energy, not renewables, but rather, MSR thorium to automation, as an automated or perish policy.

And assist that transformation with funded and facilitated cooperative capitalism. Co-ops are never overloaded at the top with overpriced executives and do not carry unproductive drones or union officials. (Same people)

Those who own the enterprise operate the enterprise and makes co-ops the most productive business models we can create. And the sole reason why co-ops stood alone during the Great Depression as the only private enterprise, free market, business model to survive largely intact!

What we do not need is more of the same, same old, ideologically driven mad hatter paradigms that simply compound current problems rather than fix a patently broken economic paradigm that relies on packing and stacking people as the only economic paradigm on the table! COVID demonstrated an economic model with significant economic growth and wealth building without evermore gridlocked cities but repopulating the regions and the bush!

If the politicians want increased PERMANENT migration, then let them flag it before we vote! No ifs, buts or maybes!
Alan B.

Dan

I read recently that the most stable governments are all monarchies. Probably why the totalitarian-leaning Albanese wants us to vote against the monarchy, and replace it with a politician's republic.

To ttbn

Maybe this point should be debated out in future, on the forum in its own context.
It’s a temptation to be drawn away from this article here.

Dan