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Infectious disease: nature bites back : Comments

By Peter Curson, published 8/8/2022

One of the crucial messages to emerge from the resurgence of infectious disease is that the bio-physical environment remains a powerful, ever-changing force which we continue to under-estimate.

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Gods vengeance on the debauched rainbow flag…bring it on!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 8 August 2022 7:42:34 AM
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Nature rules. The people fussing about about CO2 and thinking that they can change the weather need to think about that.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 8 August 2022 10:30:54 AM
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When mankind climbed out of the trees and walked on hind legs around a million years ago the percentage of oxygen in the then atmosphere was we're told, 51% Today around 20% and falling.

Back then the sanitizing effect of oxygen would have meant far fewer infectious diseases.

Nature is biting back as it were because we have altered the balance and continue to do so with massive CO2 emissions and logging. Logging tauntamont to removing a lung of our one planet home. And blindly ignored by our pollies and powerful vested interest.

I mean why do we put sick people on oxygen? Because we know that this helps them fight infection!

Some European nations still use oxygen to treat town water and branch water preferred simply because of natural oxidation. The most abundant mineral in the earths crust is oxygen and there because of mineral oxidation.

It's way past time our decision makers acted to reverse our role in reducing our reducing the percentage of health giving CO2 in our atmosphere by all available means that do not also tank the economy!

And means we need to end our suicidal dependance on fossil fuel and transitioned to carbon free energy, for mine, that is MSR thorium. And because it's available, reliable, dispatchable 24/7.

Is the safest, cleanest and cheapest option currently available! Even blind Freddy can see that! But not our gormless endlessly prevaricating Pollies. It comes with built in passive safety that automatically shuts it down, with any loss of power or damage. And unlike massively pressurized convention nuclear power, operates at ambient atmospheric pressure.

Let's get factual and past the asinine mendacious fearmongering! this technology will allow us to pull massive CO2 from the atmosphere and use it to make all manner of endlessly sustainable liquid fuels, fertilizers and plastics!

The latter allowing us to end our seriously stupid dependance on logs and logging. And replace same with regenerating farming practice!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 8 August 2022 11:24:42 AM
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Correction, Health giving CO2 should read health giving oxygen!

Cont. If the level of CO2, i.e. marsh gas, rises above 21% we will all asphixiate. As some do transitioning through (heavy) marsh gas trapped on low lying ground.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 8 August 2022 11:33:57 AM
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The problem for us and embracing the new technologies as I referred to above as all these new technologies, is the rare earths they require, the difficulty of separating them and the energy required to do so.

We talk about making more stuff here. Some of which is essential in the treatment and care of infectious diseases. (masks, gowns gloves etc.) And imagine we can do it here with today's energy prices! And without change in energy policy that's a pipe dream!

Renewables, e.g., electric cars and wind turbines all require mined and refined rare earths. The latter requiring copious cheap energy! And that's not renewables supported by pumped hydro or large community batteries.

Nor coal fired power or CO2 geo-squeastering that requires massively expensive pipe lines. We can make batteries here, says the PM, without understanding what that entails in energy requirements and who in their right mind is going to put up their money just to lose it?

Like those millionaires going broke trying to save the Flying Scotsman.

The first train cost seven thousand pounds, and the latest rebuild burnt three quarters of a million. And needed to be pushed back into the maintenance sheds!

It's fine to preserve history! Live in the steam-powered 20th century! But at what cost?

Infectious diseases requires isolation wards, oxygen, monitoring machines, ventilation, air conditioning and specialist staff. Have you ever seen a hospital energy bill? Who is going to pay when the cost gets up to 50 cents PKWH or above? he shrinking cohort of taxpayers?

Just having lithium in the ground is all well and fine until you need to separate out the accompanying rare earths, before we can ever make a battery. What then? Throw them away as if they were worthless waste?

If we do have to defend ourselves from infectious diseases or a hostile entity, none of the current crop of polly wafflers in Canberra have a clue what we need to do so. Take a holiday why don't you?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 8 August 2022 7:09:24 PM
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