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The Forum > Article Comments > Sweden eschewed lockdowns. It’s (still) too early to be certain it was wrong. > Comments

Sweden eschewed lockdowns. It’s (still) too early to be certain it was wrong. : Comments

By Andreas Ortmann, published 24/11/2020

We have been told that Sweden has become a cautionary tale and does not qualify as a model that Australia ought to pay attention to, nevermind follow.

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Forty seven references here (I might have missed some). China virus talk is beyond boring now. There seems to be a deliberate effort to wear us down to a point where we will accept anything that we are battered with.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 8:48:34 AM
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No, I don't believe we need follow that approach, or the collateral damage that it created. A healthy economy needs a healthy workforce and covid-19 has shown us even those with mild infections may have suffered significant internal harm? Lungs, kidneys, heart and brain? And possibly seriously shortened natural lives?

Our denials/ignorance in this area may lead to young footballers etc dropping dead on the playing field/sports arena/factory floor for inexplicable reasons possibly connected to unseen covid-19 related internal issues? Blood clotting perhaps?

All the indications are that in due course we will have a vaccine? And that being so, a protected population able to return to business as usual? With just an economy to fix! And it's here we need bold new ideas and to be masters of our own destiny!

We cannot make trade deals with a hostile adversary, that confines our productivity, manufacturing capacity and or sends all the profits/tax liability offshore when we need them here working at the max in our own economy!

Nor can we expect it to recover very well if we put in an economic straightjacket created by coal-fired ideological imperatives! We need to think big and outside the box!

And that thinking needs to be fact and evidence reliant and has to include nuclear power and some nuclear weapons capability! Something the usually pragmatic Swedes haven't mindlessly prohibited!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 24 November 2020 10:17:10 AM
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Oh come on. Why do these advocates for the Swedish model always fail to compare it to other Scandinavian countries all of whom have fared far better in terms of deaths per million than Sweden? Even Denmark, sitting there directly attached to mainland Europe, and just two borders away from Belgium whose record has been the worst in the world, has done far better.

Look I get slowing the economy to save lives doesn't sit well with an economist like this author but Sweden just recorded its second highest daily infection rate and things are once again going to get serious in terms of deaths in that country.

To be saying the jury is still out is like saying the emperor is still fully clothed. It's nonsense.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 1:31:30 PM
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Amazing how the demise of Trump's POLITICAL campaign (in favour of GOLF) has reduced the calls in Australia (and on OLO) for:

prioritising economic growth

over minimising the seriousness of Covid and minimising the measures against it.

So never underestimate how selfish foreign politicians can potentially bugger up Australia.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 5:10:04 PM
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According to Health Minister Greg Hunt the Australian response to Covid-19 has seen the saving of 16,000 lives. The notion that if you ignore the virus it will be "business as usual", with people going about their daily lives as normal, just stepping over the dead bodies is ridiculous!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 6:37:46 AM
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While SR might be right to compare Sweden to the other Scandinavian countries, it is equally valid to compare Sweden to other EU countries and their policies and results.

While facing similar problems to the EU the social compact and contact tracing produced results far superior to those in most of Europe, and while results similar to Denmark could have been achieved through hard lockdowns, the consequences to the economy would also have been more severe.

The second issue is the health consequences of the population of a severe lockdown. In both Aus and NZ, the estimates of adverse health consequences for people unable to access medical care exceeds the deaths from Covid. The long term consequences of vast debt will further restrict access to services and health care for years to come.

The choice is not a simple balance between cash vs lives as Paul and SR would have you believe.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 26 November 2020 8:24:27 AM
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