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The carbon capture con : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 19/3/2020

The quantities of gases that CCS would need to handle are enormous and capital and operating costs will be horrendous.

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CCS... it should be something to laugh at, if it wasn't a serious waste of public money. This scam is currently funded by governments (more than 6 research grants in NSW alone, mainly to fossil fuel companies). Sure compressed C02 can be useful to boost recovery from oil reservoirs (like Gorgon Project). Well if its that useful, let the owners of Gorgon pay for it, without grants and "offset" payments. This is a prime example of the industry milking the public purse, similar to like the renewables subsidy scam.

Also, it assume CO2 is a pollutant. Hence its just another wasteful, unscientific gravy train to abuse the system created by the Climate Change Cultist and the behind the scene vested interests. If you want to pay farmers offsets for carbon for growing plants, that's just as wasteful use of public (ultimately our tax) funds... but at least that grows trees and food. Remember, increased C02 has lead to increased leaf area index since satellites started measuring it since the 1980's! I the plants are healthier and primary productivity is rising!

When will the community wake up and ignore this stuff and stop listening to environmental alarmists and incompetent government bureaucracies that support this nonsense!

This really is a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World... run by self-important idiots... on behalf of a gullible, complacent population.

Maybe the wacky self extinction environmentalists cult are correct, ...the sooner Gaia wipes us human parasites off the face of the planet the better. Perhaps maybe then more intelligent species like dolphins, golden retrievers, those pesky white ice (Hitchhikers Guide) or even a COVID-19 Virus derivative can make a better job of it. Certainly we humans don't deserve to rule the planet, when we accept blindly the CC cultism and solutions like CCS.

I'd take two Panadol after spitting these words out in frustration... but the idiots have cleared them from the shop shelves in fear of "the end of the world" COVID_19 pandemic.. Maybe walking the dogs ( suitably "socially distanced") will do instead.
Posted by Alison Jane, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:09:13 AM
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While one can agree with most of this, some of it is just plain wrong.

And that is the erroneous assertion that CO2 is harmless. It's not harmless, in fact, if concentrations in the earth's atmosphere rise above 20%, we oxygen breathers would all asphyxiate!

Carbon capture would cost annual billions and force power prices to treble or quadruple. So-called clean coal power stations would have a maximum 6% energy coefficient. And that would make generating power in such stations the costliest electricity on the planet!

And serve the pecuniary interests of the renewable installers as a veritable tide flow of cash!

Whereas, if we removed the diabolically dumb, self-imposed prohibition on nuclear power. We could, as the world's safest repository for nuclear waste, i.e., unspent fuel, fuel with a retained enormous energy component!

Use it as fuel, we'd be paid annual billions to safely store, but not before we've extracted the thousands and thousands of years worth of free to us, energy still retained therein, via MSR technology and perfectly feasible! And done in complete walk-away safety. Repeat COMPLETE WALK-AWAY, SAFETY!

Certainly far less vulnerable as underground solutions than Lucas Heights! Built and deployed with the money we'd earn as a repository! Underground solutions would enable explosives to be placed to bury them/any, and miscreants in the event of attempted sabotage!

The solar panel installers are going to climb all over this with Fukushima and Chernobyl trembling from their cash parched lips!

Even as natural plateauing has made many of their operations currently unviable! Sorry, Pete.

Anybody who doesn't now understand that our future is absolutely a nuclear-powered one and we need to crack with the transition ASAP, is clearly a couple of sheep short in the top paddock! TBC.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:11:35 AM
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Thanks Viv,

"The quantities of gases that CCS would need to handle are enormous and capital and operating costs will be horrendous."

This is correct of course, and has been known for 30 years. It's as uneconomic as renewables and can never be economic.

The only known source of energy that can provide all the world's energy needs - including petrol, diesel, jet fuel and oil - for thousands of years is nuclear. Here's a short opinion piece by moi on a paper by moi:

"What Could Have Been – If Nuclear Power Deployment Had Not Been Disrupted"
https://www.thegwpf.com/what-could-have-been-if-nuclear-power-deployment-had-not-been-disrupted/
Posted by Peter Lang, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:20:39 AM
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For goodness sake Alan. 'If it gets to 20% we will be asphyxiated...'? Don't be so condescending.

Address the issue namely CCS stupidly and the incompetent bureaucrats who are funding this scam with our money!

Once you have done that you can tell us all about MSR as per usual.

While I remember, I recall asking you to submit an article to OLO ( in 1000words) that highlights the pros, cons and costs of MSR and why its not being taken up. You never know, it might even convince more people to realize the value of nuclear power.

I look forward to reading the piece soon.

Yours, respectively

and taking the dogs for some fresh air!
Posted by Alison Jane, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:23:15 AM
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I wish people would stop calling dioxide ‘carbon’.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:33:56 AM
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1. CCS is a stupid Scam

2. Renewables being cost effective is a SCAM, and will never supply enough power

3. Prohibiting Nuclear power is a Scam and hypocritically insulting to an Australian population 'governed' by baby-boomers who smoked too much pot, promoted free love/sex and have never done a full days work in their life..... and now run our country incompentently.

4. Climate change cultism is a SCAM

5. Carbon dioxide is GOOD.

What else do we need to accept?

Hmmm, ah yes.... "Guiness is Good for you!" belated happy St Patricks Day ta ya all!
Posted by Alison Jane, Thursday, 19 March 2020 9:34:16 AM
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