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Voluntary assisted dying. Crunch time at Queensland parliament. : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 12/3/2020

It was also clear that people felt that palliative care services were not adequate and were not an alternate to Voluntary Assisted Dying as many people will choose both.

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This subject would have to be more overrated than the US economy.

Here's a few suggestions for those infatuated with killing themselves while, at the same time looking for sympathy.

These are all innovations that end in death, as I have observed through life.

1. Put a plastic bag over your head and tape it off around you neck.

2. Throw a rope over a strong object above you, stand on a chair, tie off the free end around your neck, and kick out the chair.
(That one seems to be a favourite).
If not quite braves enough, P* off the local drug lord, and he'll arrange it all for you, no cost.

3. This one is an innovatiion I've observed, but requires scuba gear:

Take down a length of chain and a padlock, find a suitable rock to securely chain yourself to, pad lock it off, and kick the key out of reach. Now wait for the air to run out.
Works like a treat.

I'd be interested to hear other posters additions to this brief list.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 12 March 2020 9:15:08 AM
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Voluntary euthanasia is suicide. Call it what it is.

No matter how much we dread loved ones exercising it, it is a natural right.
Causing the death of another is a different thing however and that's exactly the line VE advocates want erased.

If you want to reduce the phenomenon of suicide by driving into oncoming traffic, then advocate for the unfettered right to buy a gun.
It's disingenuous to argue for a persons right to choose when their life ends while denying them a means to effect their wish themselves.
This is where the VE advocates drive into oncoming contradiction. It's not about voluntary anything. Their argument's for when others get to choose the time and means of death.
Recognize this fact and the rest writes itself with gravitational momentum.
Posted by jamo, Thursday, 12 March 2020 9:43:05 AM
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I'd put that way back on the back burner and just allow the coronavirus to do its worst! And empty out overcrowded nursing homes(gulags for old folks) Take out those with compromised immune systems, Most cancer patients etc.

Those with HIVaids are not going to be bumped off?

Because, most of them are already taking half a dozen to a dozen, hugely expensive antivirals daily, which some seem to have conscripted, Thailand? To successfully treat coronavirus.

Give them fourteen days supply and send them home to self isolate?

I mean logic would tell almost anyone except our do nothing real pollies. That a virus is a virus and an antiviral is an antiviral! And those used to treat HIV/aids are the strongest, most efficacious we have?

Too bad they're so damned expensive?

Well, what did one expect with big pharma's 500% plus/plus markups?

Well, no matter, just allow it, the virus to run its course and take out the old, the frail, the vulnerable, the dying. And save a bundle! Call this virus, assisted dying, because, that it's what it's doing, Everald!

Take care, old man.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:31:07 PM
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jamo,

<<Voluntary euthanasia is suicide. Call it what it is. >>

I consider it to be murder as it is the deliberate taking of another's life, whether it is with their permission or not.

Look what is happening in The Netherlands, Belgium and Canada. It cannot be controlled.

+ 'A study conducted every five years to determine the causes of death in the Dutch population has revealed that more than 400 of its citizens lost their lives as a result of euthanasia without having given their consent', http://bioethicsobservatory.org/2017/11/involuntary-euthanasia-increases/23467/#iLightbox[gallery23467]/0

+ 'One in three Dutch doctors reported being willing to euthanize the mentally ill' (loc. cit.)

+ 'Belgium legalized euthanasia in 2002 for anyone age twelve and older. In 2014, it eliminated all age restrictions. A recent report published by Belgian authorities reveals that three children were euthanized legally in 2016–17 — the youngest at age nine — with the two others at ages eleven and 17, respectively. Their maladies? Cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, and a brain tumor', http://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/canada-euthanasia-assisted-suicide-children/

+ 'Serious discussions are now underway to expand that license to children' to be euthanised in Canada (ibid.)
Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 12 March 2020 5:46:42 PM
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Diver dan
Why should someone have to die by hanging,and have their family find them like that. Have to shoot themselves in the head and maybe ending up like a vegetable,
Same with driving your car into a truck. You could end up struggling with awful injuries for the rest of your life. Euthanasia is peaceful and non violent and you can die in the loving presence of your family. To die surrounded with love and kindness is so much more compassionate than having to die slowly hanging from a rope terrifyingly by yourself.

People shouldn’t be forced into these terrifying ways of dying when they are suffering with overwhelming terminal illness. Illnesses sometimes strike without warning and make people invalids in hospital beds, they then aren’t well enough to leave the hospital with a drip in their arm to seek out these means of suicide.The nurses will insist you stay if the doctor hasn’t discharged you.

Think of putting up with a bad toothache that is never going to go away, because it has become infected and imagine there is no cure.
If you’ve ever had bad toothache I think you might want to die after suffering from it
day and night non stop for a few months with no cure in sight. There is no cure from a lot of terminal and painful illness.
Posted by CHERFUL, Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:14:09 PM
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OzSpen, yep that's what I was getting at regarding "the line VE advocates want erased."

Very small step from availability of an option to recommendation of that option. The next small step after that is recommendation for the patient incapable of expressing their want for it.
Then it's Aktion T4 reborn.
Posted by jamo, Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:24:04 PM
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