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Hastie warns us to beware of the Chinese dragon : Comments

By Peter West, published 13/8/2019

But in the light of the threat of domination by a foreign power not interested in human rights, Australians chatter about things of very small significance.

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It's amazing that the runty Birmingham has attacked Hastie for talking about what must be talked about, and the cardboard cut out Prime Minister is not much better. The Morrison government doesn't have a clue what to do about an increasingly aggressive China.

" But in the light of the threat of domination by a foreign power not interested in human rights, Australians chatter about things of very small significance".

Those words correctly sum up the pathetically stupid and frightened, caught-in-the-spotlight, gutless attitude of the Australian political class and the boofheaded commentariat.

The dragon is not "at the gates"; it is inside the gates in the form of Chinese immigrants and Chinese students.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 8:58:02 AM
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Dear ttbn,

You are absolutely correct. The enemy is already inside the gate. The Chinese, whether they be from Beijing, Hong Kong, Singapore or Sydney, see Australia as having a Chinese future.

I think we would all agree that the US would like to deploy missiles in Australia to counter Chinese expansion in SE Asia and the Pacific. They didn't ask the Australian government to do so; I think they thought they didn't have to ask. The Australian government's silence on the matter was I think an answer in itself and Pompeo must have left to convey to Trump that the Australian government would not permit the US to deploy its missiles in Australia.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:09:13 AM
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Well, and if Hastie believes they like another authoritarian prewar state, poses a significant threat? He should speak out!

By their fruits, ye shall know them and the Chinese human rights record and quite massive military expansion/annexation of others sovereign territory, plus their quite deliberate targeting of the media and control freak censorship, speaks terrifying volumes!

And Hastie's words should be listened to at the highest levels!

And we need to press on with a self-defence plan like that of pre-war Finland, that took on the might of the entire red army and forced them to withdraw, given the unsustainable losses they and their terrain inflicted.

As for mid-range missiles being deployed here?

Yes, and now! Just do it and don't, deleted expletive, talk about it!

It's good diplomacy to speak softly but carry a big stick. And if you don't have a big stick, learn how too kiss arse and swallow your pride, self-determination, your natural or accrued wealth, real estate, untapped resources, freedom and any independence!

We've already quite massively assisted by disarming our warrior class!

Hastie is one of a very few who have served or been placed in harm's way by bootlickers serving their preferred master? And has earned a right to have his say! Or put others in harm's way!

The only hostile that actually attacked us since federation, has been a brainwashed Nippon. Who to a virtual generic man believed the Emporer was a divine celestial being who had to be obeyed, even if the order was to die!

And nationalistic radicalised Asians are not too different and just don't think as we do, although as individuals are almost the nicest people. It's just their leadership and its ambitions that are a cause for wide-eyed concern!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:16:58 AM
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Dear Alan B,

You are correct in raising a comparison between pre-WW2 Japanese imperialism and contemporary Chinese military-industrial expansionism, particularly in the Indo-Pacific region (our back door so to speak.)

Personally I think it is now too late to prevent Australia from being gobbled up by China. We were able to prevent Japan from doing so in the early months of the Pacific War but that was only because the US came to our assistance because it was an ally of the British Empire. Do you think the US will do the same in the case of China especially after the Australian government just gave it what I think was the thumbs down to deploying missiles in Australia intended to arrest Chinese ambitions in the Indo-Pacific region?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:37:39 AM
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The Chinese are so racist that their government refuses to believe that all human beings originated in Africa. The official Chinese government position is that it agrees with evolution, but that the Chinese race evolved separately to every other race. They evolved entirely within China. The reason being, of course, that the Chinese simply refuse to contemplate that they have any African DNA in their genetics. Monkeys may be acceptable, but not African blacks.

The extreme racism of the Chinese is best illustrated that the Chinese, alone among nearly every immigrant group, choose to live entirely within their own ethnic ghettoes. There are "Chinatowns" in London, France, Berlin, Sydney, Los Angeles, and just about every other western nation where large numbers of Chinese have immigrated into.

Whereas it is the current fashion among white western undergraduates to sneer at their own country, culture and people, it is definitely not the fashion among any other group, especially the Chinese. "Overseas Chinese" are noted for their extreme nationalistic loyalty. To China. As such, what role they would play in a future war with China is interesting to speculate upon? So too, you can bet that Australia's security organisations would be an open book to China if the recruitment of Chinese into Australian defence forces, political organisations, and ASIO on the grounds of "diversity" continues.

The history of overseas Chinese rallying to the motherland is history. In 1953, the Chinese minority in Malaya tried to take over the government by force of arms to make Malaya a surrogate state of Red China. Even today, severe restrictions on Chinese travel within Malaysia still exist. In Indonesia, the Chinese minority attempted a coup to make Indonesia a client state of Red china but the coup failed. The Indos responded by marching 500,000 of them into the jungle and shooting them.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:43:27 AM
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Mr Opinion, I think w have no other choice than to deploy mid-range missiles. And completely covertly. So if we need to defend our selves against a far more powerful hostile aggressor, the price they pay has to be far too great! And hope like hell we never ever have to use them.

As always one must prepare for the worst-case scenario while hoping for the best!

Nobody I know wants a hot war with anyone! But there are times as in WW11, what one wants and what is visited upon one are two very different things!

That said, if there were any lessons learned from WW11, those lessons are, appeasement to a homicidal power-hungry maniac is a recipe for even more and never-ending appeasement.

And that we must be eternally vigilant and properly prepared. Today's defence spending slipped below Great Depression-era of 1938!

And we were as you say, only rescued by the blood sacrifice of the US!

The next war won't have a front, will be fought by remotely controlled or autonomous machines and civilians and our leaders will be among the targets of first choice!

And make no mistake, there will b a war for world domination, given there will be too many people fighting for decreasing water and arable land! And looming as the only available reality, given humankind steadfastly refuses to address real man-made, climate change! And, just too easy!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:49:25 AM
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