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The mathematics of spying: when the figures don't add up : Comments

By Warren Reed, published 31/7/2019

One of the great failings of our Canberra system is its continuing aversion to prosecuting identified traitors in the court system.

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Warren, yoo hoo.

I'm still waiting for a long line of exposed criminal politicians to be prosecuted for a similar long list of crimes which they have evaded the consequences of themselves.

The law very reluctantly caught up with Obeid and McDonald in NSW, but what a conveluted and expensively drawn out process at great cost to taxpayers that one was.
When actually it was a very straight forward case of "caught with your pants down" crime.

Most likely Warren, the reason for lack of action on the part of Politicians, is their backhanded involvement with criminals.
I knew one of those. Richardson. A drug runner, using his union connections on the Sydney wharves.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 9:15:53 AM
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I can recall rumours that inferred, we once had more KGB operatives in ASIO than Australians. And allegedly sourced from long-standing cells. Implanted with the flood of European mass migration post-WW11, and assisted by the White Australia policy?

One still cannot trust the Authenticity of our so-called intelligence agencies, given the quality and motivations of those in charge or the creators of new agencies, as a grab for power and influence?

And assisted in that regard by a perceived reluctance to deploy UNBEATABLE space age lie detection, integrity testing and a Federal ICAC and the protection of whistleblowers. The genuine article, not patent traitors like I believe Assange and Snowden to be.

Further assisted in negative connotations, by the perceived limitations on the freedom of the independent press!?

Which is regularly attacked by problematic players for perceived self-interest reasons? We need totally independent heads and operatives, whose own integrity is not only trusted but has that integrity regularly tested with new space age and unbeatable lie detection technology. Those doing he testing regularly rotated and tested themselves.

And some of the more interesting decision by this or that pollie need to be looked at as do the motivations of those who sell or lease land or facilities to foreign powers with hostile/highly autocratic attitudes and quite massive military expansion and land/territory grabs!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:17:47 AM
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Persona non grata-ing ("PNGing") [1] hostile "spies" (ie. Case Officers) and sacking/early retiring their several Agents (of a foreign power) is the most common and efficient practice of every country be it Canada, Germany or the US etc.

Why? Because publicity, or a spy trial, usually becomes a blowback circus, exploited by:

A. politicians who wish to protect other politicians who may be receiving funding (one way or another) from that foreign power

OR

B. journalists with an unremarkable (or very old, personal...) AXE TO GRIND against their own country's security and intelligence agencies

Basically, in the circus route, it is one's own country's security agencies who are put on trial because they cannot reveal all of their evidence (SOURCES and METHODS) to the satisfaction of media outlets, who need to profit.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:55:19 PM
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Don't worry Warren, you will be pleased to know that Australia is adopting the same severe penalty for treason as that handed out by the British to Sir Anthony Blunt.

You get a knighthood.

It is a bit like the Australian of the year Award. All you have to be is foreign born from an approved oppressed minority and you are a shoo in. Being an Australian of the Year now means you probably got charged for fraud or tax evasion and the award recognises your initiative.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 4:41:08 PM
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Onya LEGO

You can always be counted on to take The Obscure and Racist Angle to run comments off the rails...

So was this unrelated British git Blunt a Muslim Jew?

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 7:24:44 PM
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The following is interesting:

"BREAKING NEWS: An ex-spy known as Witness K will plead guilty to breaching the Intelligence Services Act while his lawyer has been committed to stand trial."

see Australia's ABC, August 6, 2019 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-06/witness-k-to-plead-guilty-lawyer-bernard-collaery-face-trial/11387046

Title: "Witness K to plead guilty to breaching intelligence act as lawyer Bernard Collaery committed to trial" (Updated 10 minutes ago)

Body: "An ex-spy known as "Witness K" has indicated he will plead guilty to breaching the Intelligence Services Act, but his lawyer Bernard Collaery will continue to fight the charge in a case that was today committed to trial in the ACT Supreme Court.

Both men were charged last year with conspiring to reveal secret information, relating to allegations Australian Government agents bugged the cabinet room of East Timor during sensitive negotiations between the countries on oil and gas.

Witness K and Mr Collaery were each charged with a single count of conspiring to share information covered by section 39 of the Intelligence Services Act, which covers secrecy and the unauthorised communication of information.

Today lawyers for Witness K, a former Australian Secret Intelligence Service spy, said their client would plead guilty.

But his lawyer, former ACT attorney-general Bernard Collaery, will fight the conspiracy charge against him in the ACT Supreme Court.

The dramatic developments have headed off a closed hearing that was to run this week where issues of national security likely to be included in the case were to be discussed.

Much of the case so far has been shrouded in secrecy, and it is illegal to reveal details of the spying operation or reveal Witness K's identity.

Lawyers for Witness K said they only finalised his agreement to plead guilty this morning, but were still negotiating with the prosecution over the full details of the case.

Both cases will be back in court later this month.

More to come."
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 11:38:52 AM
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