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The Forum > Article Comments > Folau issue leaves Libs mid-field, as free speech curbs reflect Labor's culture war wins > Comments

Folau issue leaves Libs mid-field, as free speech curbs reflect Labor's culture war wins : Comments

By Graham Young, published 8/5/2019

John Howard would have grabbed the ball and run with it - and Kim Beazley would have been wrong-footed.

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It's not Israel's views that are the problem, but the fact that as part of his contract for millions, he agreed to keep them to himself!

Moreover, he doesn't speak for God nor stands in God's shoes deciding who's a sinner and who's not! I mean not all that long ago alleged Christians justified slavery because they claimed non-whites or blacks had the mark of Cain on them and therefore could be owned as slaves.

As a seventeen-year-old, I left the mormon Church once I found out men of colour couldn't be ordained for the same alleged reason. It's fine to own your own facts always providing you're prepared for the consequences of expressing them.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 9:45:26 AM
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The Liberals don't seem to be aware of the issues that could keep them in government. The appalling behaviour of the Left, the climate con, 18c and freedom of speech - any number of things are there waiting to be championed. Too late now, though.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 10:13:47 AM
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Israel Folau is not at blame for expressing his religious beliefs.
He is rightly at blame for usurping his employer's right to expression of its corporate policies by an authorised person or body.

He has overstepped the boundaries of acceptability as much as would a member of the armed services attempting to gain widespread publicity for a personal opinion because of that member's defence status.

Folau without the due prestige as a top football player would have far less credibility to those he harangued.
I doubt that he would have forgone his earnings from a major game so that he could move amongst those he perceives as sinners and preach at them.
No.
He behaved as an opportunist to gain the impact of his game playing status in order to be taken as credible.
But that just makes him an ordinary, fallible being.
Posted by Ponder, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 1:06:05 PM
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Free speech, won after centuries of struggle, and fundamental to democracy, is being so fatally eroded it is desperately in need of a champion. Today’s so called Left and Right are morally empty shells, and the Old Left, who would have taken up the challenge are extinct. This is exemplified in the most recent cause celebre involving double standards on free speech and a breach of the norms of a secular society. For expressing his religious conviction that homosexuals will go to hell, interpreted as homophobic hate speech, rugby star Israel Folau has received a public flogging; and by twisted logic, threatened with the sack for breaching his commitment to “diversity”. The coruscating denunciation ignored the statement of 10th of March 2018 by The Australian National Imams Council: “From the Islamic standpoint, homosexuality is a forbidden action; a major sin and anyone who partakes in it is considered a disobedient servant to Allah that will acquire His displeasure and disapproval.” PM Morrison who had previously been uncompromising in maintaining that there was "no more fundamental liberty that any human being has" than the right to practise one's faith, now, in the midst of election campaigning, in response to Folau’s assertion of religious belief, changed his tune to, "I thought they were terribly insensitive comments and obviously that was a matter for the RA and they've taken that decision,"
Posted by Leslie, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 1:08:31 PM
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"He is rightly at blame for usurping his employer's right to expression of its corporate policies by an authorised person or body".

He did not "usurp" anything. He expressed his personal views, or if you like, biblical views on certain areas.

Perhaps you don't know what 'usurp' means. It means to 'seize' or 'take over'. He might very well be in breach of RA's "corporate policies", but he certainly did not usurp them.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 1:34:12 PM
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Rugby has a history of rapist, drunks, assaults all still playing while due to sponsorship from deviants Folau loses his career. Oh well Christians are losing their lives daily for their faith but no one would of thought we would have so many degenerates and gutless conservatives in power in Australia that would stand by and watch this happening. Secularism has produced the most radical bigots this country has ever seen and all because they don't want any light shone upon their deviant lives while they promote it to others.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 2:19:13 PM
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