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Mistaken atheism, mistaken theism : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 28/3/2019

God is not an object in the universe and thus cannot be investigated or described in the same language that we use for other objects.

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Spot on Peter! And thoroughly debunks all those who claimed to be able to communicate with the divine, from the earliest prophets on down including Mr Moses and beyond, down to the modern day.

Poof there goes the bible! And all the belief systems that rely on it!

It simply has to be extremely disconcerting to hear voices coming out of thin air!? But so much more so, when you understand what they're saying!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 28 March 2019 10:20:56 AM
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If intellectual servility toward such abstruse contriving of christianity and the figure at its head is now required to be Sellick's true christian, then I pay homage to the singular simplicity and logic of the influences that led me to atheism.

Does the christian god choose to present himself as an intellectual trickster to his flock? It seems like the lowly headcount of scribes who are claimed to have penned the scriptures were more than simply "inspired" by the holy word.

Are all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the scriptures now explained by holy perfidy and a penchant for triviality?

I wish christians would lose their persecution complex and realise that science is NOT searching for their deity and is no threat to it. Reducing it to a metaphor seems like an act of desperation than anything else.
Posted by Pogi, Thursday, 28 March 2019 1:19:27 PM
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Jeez! Sells has really surpassed himself this time.
As if any of that has anything to do with Truth & Reality. And the all-important significance of death and what it requires of us.

http://www.beezone.com/death_message.html Read the three available essays at the bottom of this webpage, including Welcome Sister Death

Once again this assessment of conventional spirit-killing institutional christian-ism and its impenetrable "holy" book.
http://www.dabase.org/up-1-1.htm
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 28 March 2019 4:09:44 PM
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To Peter.

A friend directed me to these articles, and I thought of you for them.

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/are-there-contradictions-bible/

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/early-symptoms-spiritual-danger/

One is about contradictions, and the other is about losing one's faith. If you ever want to talk about either topic to someone, I hope you can find someone who can help you through your struggles in faith.

As to your article. One point you posed was this:

<<The absence of any sign in our time that such events occur places evangelicals on shaky ground since they have to explain how God could intrude upon the physical world in biblical times but not in ours.>>

The reversal of this argument is something that strengthens my own faith. Hopefully it can strengthen yours as well. By seeing events in our lives that God has interceded and intruded on the physical world, the conclusion that He can do so it biblical times is strengthened. Be strengthened in knowing that God does act on the world today. He is not absent. Good news indeed.

To Pogi. You said:

<<Reducing it to a metaphor seems like an act of desperation than anything else.>>

The good news I have for you is that God is not a metaphor. And no
I also don't see science as a threat.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 29 March 2019 3:04:21 AM
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Peter,

>>The absence of any sign in our time that such events occur places evangelicals on shaky ground since they have to explain how God could intrude upon the physical world in biblical times but not in ours. The absence of any sign in our time that such events occur places evangelicals on shaky ground since they have to explain how God could intrude upon the physical world in biblical times but not in ours.<<

The combination of “divine action” with “science” brought me 60 400 Google hits. So I do not think one can dismiss Divine Action (seen through 21st century Christian approaches to philosophy of science and philosophy of religion) as simply as you seem to indicate.
Posted by George, Friday, 29 March 2019 9:40:51 AM
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Perfect score, Peter. Well done!

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Dear Pogi,

«I wish christians would lose their persecution complex and realise that science is NOT searching for their deity and is no threat to it»

God is not a deity.

The learned have understood this from time immemorial, but usually not the ordinary person in the market-place.

Thinking of God as a deity has its merits and science IS a threat to the simple and innocent faith of ordinary people in the market-place.

«Reducing it to a metaphor seems like an act of desperation than anything else.»

Well God is not a metaphor either, yet a desperate attempt of using this explanation to restore the faith of ordinary people in the market-place has its rightful positive place. Not everyone has the time on their hands and the intellectual capacity to study God, but even those who are not (yet) in the position to study God can still learn to lead a good, honest moral life. Science undermines this because nothing in the realm of material science indicates that one ought to seek the good and avoid evil even if/when they could get away with it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 29 March 2019 11:39:49 AM
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