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An Australian population policy? : Comments

By Max Rawnsley, published 5/12/2018

How should a ‘population’ policy relate to our major urban and regional centres? Where is the public consultation?

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More people would make the problems in the following story exponentially worse. Also more concerning how long before this happens on the East Coast?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-10/groundwater-bores-pulling-up-salt-water-off-kwinana-coast/10594444

Sea water sucked 1 kilometre inland as Kwinana bores placed under intense pressure

Groundwater bores are designed to draw fresh water out of the ground, but the pressure on bores has been so intense in some locations along Perth's south coast that the bores have begun pulling up salt water instead.

A Department of Water and Environmental Regulation report has found the amount of groundwater being extracted in the Kwinana industrial area was causing sea water from deeper underground to rise up and take its place.

Effectively it meant the sea water was being sucked back under the land, and once salt water moved into stores of fresh water the damage was difficult to reverse.

The department claimed the issue of sea water turning bores salty was the biggest problem facing groundwater users — residents, market gardeners and industry — along the coast.

Drawing more water from fewer freshwater bores not only increased the risk of more saltwater contamination, but also threatened to disturb decades-old contamination plumes laying dormant underground.

Water supply issues threaten industry expansion

The new recommended water plan affects about 300 water licence holders in the area.

"That doesn't mean that people who currently have water will have that water taken off them," Dr McHugh said.

"What it does mean is that going into the future there won't be any additional groundwater available for use."

That raised significant questions for industry in the Kwinana area, which was expected to expand significantly, almost doubling its water needs.

"Some say that the expansion is being crippled because future water supply isn't there for those companies coming into the place. And if it doesn't get fixed, that is correct," Mr Oughton said.

"Those companies that need water won't come here if they can't get water."
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:58:50 PM
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A few interesting facts that never seem to be raised in such discussions-

For some reason our 190,000 limit for refugees wasn't reached last year, coming in at about 160,000 so there isn't quite the flood of unlimited mass immigration that people seem so worried about.

New Zealanders living and working in Australia are not counted as they here under the Trans-Tasman Travel Agreement and are not counted as immigrants.

When it comes to city congestion, as well as those New Zealanders much of the problem is due to foreign students (about 500,000 at any time), tourists (about 2.5 million) and foreign workers.
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:00 AM
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Posted by rache, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:00 AM-
For some reason our 190,000 limit for refugees wasn't reached last year, coming in at about 160,000 so there isn't quite the flood of unlimited mass immigration that people seem so worried about.

Answer- Refugee quota has gone up the 190,000?? Wow that's a big increase from previous quotas- from memory under Howard it was 7000 then it went to 14,000 and then 28,000. So I would consider it a flood if it really is the refugee number. Are you sure this isn't the number of permanent immigrants. Either way it's too many- Australia is a British country and should remain so. As the Delai Lama says "Europe is for the Europeans".
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 13 December 2018 3:53:16 AM
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Posted by rache, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:00 AM
New Zealanders living and working in Australia are not counted as they here under the Trans-Tasman Travel Agreement and are not counted as immigrants.
When it comes to city congestion, as well as those New Zealanders much of the problem is due to foreign students (about 500,000 at any time), tourists (about 2.5 million) and foreign workers.

Answer- Yes I agree with Rache that we also need to restrict the foreign students (and shut down the "Australian Education Industry") and New Zealanders. Every country needs to control it's borders otherwise it ceases to be a country.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 13 December 2018 3:57:59 AM
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Canem Malum Don't shoot yourself in the foot, are you aware the value of the international student market is now worth $32.2 billion a year.

What services will you cut to compensate for the lost revenue or how much will we have our taxes raised?

I think you don't mean or I hope you don't mean get rid of them all if so how many is okay?
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 5:46:50 PM
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Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 5:46:50 PM- Comment 1
Canem Malum Don't shoot yourself in the foot, are you aware the value of the international student market is now worth $32.2 billion a year.

Answer1- So around 3% of the economy. To many- it's not about money. Any community isn't sustainable if it doesn't act in a sustainable way - as you indicated you can't trick the budget. Any geographical area should be able to prosper based on it's internal population, ingenuity, discipline. Economy of scale plays a role. If it can't manage its resources the community needs to invest in management.

Many international students don't bring money here- they earn money here to pay for their tuition- they have found novel ways of using Australia to pay for their growth. If those particular ones left there would be more resources for us.

Much of the sales pitch of the Education Industry is based on flow down economics- of course those at the centre benefit more- there are scavengers that hang around the periphery waiting for government policy to drop money "on the savanna"- aren't we better than vultures- can't we build a better society. I suppose many businesses operate on the "scavenger model".

Posted by Philip S- Comment 2
What services will you cut to compensate for the lost revenue or how much will we have our taxes raised?

Answer2- Yes it's critical to balance the budget. I don't believe that we need to raise taxes. It's easier to see what is happening in the economy if chinese walls are created and managed. The economy of Australia is somewhat similar to the economy of an individual- often economics is unnecessarily complicated.

All situations have benefits and sacrifice- are you naive enough to believe that we aren't sacrificing now- with good management, planning the best of our community can be achieved. In DNA sometimes change is beneficial but usually not- stability is usually more important (but less exciting) for survival.

We are not selling Education internationally but our heritage- there are many buyers.

Good management creates value.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 14 December 2018 8:05:36 AM
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