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Inconvenient fact: Native title can only exist if Australia was settled, not invaded : Comments

By Sherry Sufi, published 22/1/2018

Whether Australia's colonisation by the British Empire should be classified as an invasion or settlement is not a question of mere semantics.

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Brilliantly explained. An important component of Mabo that greens and land management bureaucrats don't recognise is No Terra Nullius = No Wilderness, and the whole idea of National Parks management by neglect is nonsense. Wherever you go in Australia, or whenever you turn the telly on, you see dying trees and scrub because our landscape lacks sustaining fire. This has been and continues to be the major cause of extinctions and loss of biodiversity since European settlement.
Posted by Little, Monday, 22 January 2018 9:49:34 AM
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“The Prime Minister wants to keep Australia Day as it is ….”. All sensible, normal Australians want to keep Australia Day as it is. A person like Malcolm Turnbull should not be used as an example of anything worth while. And, 'international law' is an ass that cannot override Australian law unless gutless, globalist politicians allow it to.

Invasion or settlement. The whole discussion is a nonsense, just as discussions on Anzac Day, Christmas and everything else that is well established in Australia, and preserved by the majority, is nonsense. The people agitating for change all the time are galahs with not much to think about.

And, waffling on about international law and the UN adds nothing intelligent to an already unintelligent and childish waste time
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 January 2018 10:33:36 AM
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" .... international law recognises all territories acquired through invasion and annexation by force, prior to World War II, as lawful conquests."

Really ? In the interminable wars across Europe over the past thousand years, that may have been the practice earlier (viz. William's seizure of all English land and parcelling it out to his lords - hence the Domesday Book) but in the past few hundred years, invasion did not deprive people of their land. Yes, invasion meant the replacement of one sovereign power by another, but not seizure of lands.

Alsace-Lorraine may be a good example of this: did the invasion of German lands by France, or French lands by Germany, mean that the ownership of land changed hands ? I don't know, but I doubt it.

When Britain took over, 'invaded', territory in India or Africa, the pre-existing land ownership and land-use systems were adopted. Read C. K. Meek's 'Land Law and Custom in the Colonies' (1945/1948), available on: www.firstsources.info on the 'Land Page'.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 22 January 2018 10:57:28 AM
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If the Author's take on Native Title as born out via the Mabo case, then those like a very divise Green leader, need to stop and hope they can't get what they're wishing for!?

For if this country was invaded and the inhabitants therefore a conquered people? Then any special rights to Native title are automatically erased, rendered null and void.

It's time the divide and rule merchants, like an obvious power junkie i.e., the Greens leader, need to stop quite deliberately fomenting unrest.

And the black armband urban activists need to put a sock in it! As for them, if they aint got indigenous Tasmanian blood running through their veins, then they also are living on stolen land!

My great grandfather traditionally drove a horse and cart. As his grandad and his before him. Fire was used by aborigines, not because it was superior land management but through observed custom that assisted hunting, and because they'd never domesticated grazing animals for a better fuel reduction method.

Fire destroys all understory, much of which like legumes, is absolutely essential to superior land management. As is ground aerated by earthworms and dung beetles etc. Land baked by fire as land management assists runoff and little else. Well aerated ground assists water (rainfall) absorption! As does short term intensive cell grazing, which breaks open baked ground, all while quite dramatically reducing the fuel load! Plus spreading beneficial seed!

There is not a white way, a black way, just a right way!

Even so a few folk (firebugs/asonists) will trot out fire management, as best practice, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

An inability to look at the evidence and having done so arrive a conclusions that are neither pedantic or absolutism. Is virtually all that separates the ignorant savage from his civilised counterpart.

Was this land invaded or settled!? And is there but one race, the human race!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 22 January 2018 11:44:10 AM
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Correction and apologies, inability ought be read as ability.
Alan.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 22 January 2018 11:47:40 AM
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Alan B land baked by fire is a consequence of modern infrequent, moderate to high intensity prescribed fires and modern extreme megafires as a consequence of previous. These generate dense leguminous scrubs of acacia and casuarina that exacerbate soil changes with lack of mild sustaining fire, and reinforce eucalypt decline, pestilence and development of 3 dimensionally continuous fuels that explode into firestorms every time there's an ignition during bad weather. Unnatural accumulation of nitrogen drives loss of biodiversity around the world through atmospheric pollution, pasture improvement, lack of mild, sustaining fire in native veg etc. As leading Aboriginal fire expert, Victor Steffensen, says we have upside down country - thin on top and thick underneath. Read Firestick Ecology: fairdinkum science in plain English, and improve your education
Posted by Little, Monday, 22 January 2018 12:10:00 PM
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