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What’s to be gained by an Australian republic? : Comments

By Nicola Wright, published 16/1/2018

The idea of a reigning monarch who attains their rank by dint of birth sticks in the craw of many. And yet this is one of the greatest benefits of our constitutional monarchy.

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There would be no gain whatsoever and a hell of a lot of disadvantages by way of massive costs. The Republic push is just another example of self-hatred from fragile, low self-esteem bedwetters. It is also a direct assault on the heritage of (still) a majority of Australians.

Remember, also, that people who come to settle in Australia for obvious reasons are not fleeing monarchies. They are fleeing republics. So piddlers, do not assume support from the increasing number of non-Anglo immigrants you are also fond of.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 9:29:25 AM
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Let us not forget Camilla Puke-her Bowels!

A central risk for the Monarchy over Australia will be the death of QE II and the onset of Charles III.

Prince Charles, on royal inspection, is a dorky wimp, under the thumb of head royal ex-concubine, Camilla Parker "I wear the most his jewelry" Bowels. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2321219/Queens-Speech-Duchess-Cornwall-glitters-Queen-Mothers-Boucheron-tiara.html

Camilla Puke-her Bowels, who rules OK? drove admittedly airhead, Diana, to death.

In terms of intellect and legitimacy Charlie fails to be a potentially respected Monarch or Head of Australia.

For Australia it is essential that a President does Not become a publically elected rival to the Prime Minister.
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 9:45:22 AM
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The Police state 2018, where are we going?

Remembering Eureka, 1854 and the reasons for that event in our history.

Responsible government, the primacy of the House of Representatives and even the office of the Prime Minister, are nowhere mentioned in the Australian Constitution, yet these constitutional conventions play a very important role in the successful functioning or process of the Australian Constitution.”

"Australia remains one of the few countries in the world without a constitutional charter of rights. This means that rights in Australia are neither inalienable nor inviolable. Rights are granted, protected, limited and potentially removed by acts of government.”
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Before an almost empty House, the Member for Denison cited the following ten characteristics which – he believes – determine a pre police state:

1 Surveillance of all electronic devices including phone calls SMS Email, SM and metadata would be stored and accessed without warrant from October [2015].
2 Media manipulation [of the] A.B.C. and S.B.S. cuts, bullying techniques used by ministers against media.
3 Manipulation of the judiciary; example: a Royal Commissioner agrees to go to a party political event.
4 Ludicrous level of secrecy especially in regard to irregular immigration or asylum seekers and ‘on water operations’.
5 Arrests on suspicion of thinking you may do something in the future.
6 People in [Australia] can be incarcerated indefinitely without trial.
7 Disregard to international agreements and international laws that Australian Governments including ignoring their own statutes have signed off on – e.g. The Rights of the Child and The Refugee Convention.
8 Parliament are forbidden to debate upon important decisions such as the government secretly deciding to declare war on Syria. No debate, no vote by [Australian] representatives.
9 Government safeguard mechanisms bullied and disregarded if they get in the governments way –  e.g. the mistreatment on the Human Rights Commission [President] recently.
10 Security agencies acting beyond their legal power. Border Patrol going beyond legal powers, [yet] no-one lost her/his jobs, no-one was held to account.

(‘Andrew Wilkie warns Parliament that Australia is becoming a police state’, 9 September 2015).
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 10:10:19 AM
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Spurious argument! From the opening sentence to the last!!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 16 January 2018 10:59:06 AM
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Albie Manton...

I really think you are suffering from hyper-ventilation. For at least fifty years, I've been hearing a cry that the “police State” is expanding.

You know what? The problem is, we don't have enough of them on the streets.
Pointless making laws without the manpower to back them up!

You are safe, providing this country continues on the path of “defunding” the entire household of its furniture!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 11:06:45 AM
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There is one huge advantage of having a President with democratic base.
That advantage is that such a President has undoubted democratic authority to bring a government in chaos back to face the people.

Twice last century, in Australia, the "Royal" reserve powers were used to resolve chaos in government.

The first was in 1932 when Sir Phillip Game as Governor of NSW sacked Jack Lang as Premier of NSW and called on Bertram Stevens to call an election at which Lang was soundly defeated.
The send was in 1975 when Governor- General Kerr sacked Whitlam and called on Fraser to call an election, resulting in the greatest landslide against a sitting government in our history..

Lang had refused to pay interest on Government Bonds. The Federal Government passed legislation requiring payment of State revenues into the Commonwealth Bank from which it intended to pay that interest. Lang directed all State revenues to be paid in cash to a NSW Department and directed his public servants to deliver that cash money to his treasury, in defiance of the Commonwealth legislation.

Most people understand how a similar chaotic situation arose in 1975.

We need unquestioned democratic authority vested in someone to resolve chaos which can arise in any democracy the way Game and Kerr resolved did.

We were lucky enough to have two men of remarkable courage and judgment holding the offices of Governor and Governor- General at the relevant times.

Next time we may not have that luck. We need a clear democratic base for chaos resolution in times of crisis. \

A person of no political affiliation, appointed by a joint sitting of all houses of all Australian Parliaments would be best.

An elected President would be a second choice but would likely lead to politicisation of the office.
Posted by Old Man, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 11:25:00 AM
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