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The Greens and the campaign for a woman’s right to choose : Comments

By Sylvia Hale, published 21/9/2017

Its defeat, when every member of the Liberal and National parties voted against it, ensured that NSW would continue to be out of step with modern medical practice and community opinion.

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Dial-An-Abortion, how may I help you?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-28/medical-abortion-drugs-now-available-over-the-phone/6810124
Posted by Shockadelic, Thursday, 21 September 2017 2:37:35 PM
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Abortion kills. That's the truth of it. The question remains if the killing of unborn babies is nessassery. For us it seems to be the only option. Face shame of having children out of wedlock (the magority of abortions made I believe) isn't an answer people want, nor is that shame likely going to go away (unfortunately for the sakes of the children to be). Nor is the cultural call to roll back our sexual ques to ramp up intrest in sex at earlier ages. Fashion and storybook romance are only part of the issues. It's also advertising and media selling sexy as a means of selling their products or their gorgourse tv shows.

If you can't get rid of the shame, and can't get rid of the behavior, then it's only natural to look for reasons to allow for the consquence of having children to be killed before being born.

Abortion is killing. Remember that. And then ask if it is nessassery. If it is, then feel sick about it. Deep down to the pit of your being sick.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:30:26 AM
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OK. Let's reinvent the wheel all over again.

Women carry the baby to full-term - with ugly morning sickness, repetitive CAT scans, routine invasive body examinations by medical practitioners, heavily reduced activity due to their bodies being rendered little more than beached whales and sent all out of whack, excruciating childbirth (I know, and it's infinitely more painful than the most explicit descriptions of torture, not to mention the humiliation of strangers prodding and poking you when you're wide open) and their bodies are never the same again.

Women give up their financial independence to bear children. Women assume the principal child-rearing role, which while gratifying does not exonerate the all-too-frequent absence of the father in this all-important start in life for their offspring (they have their careers to think of, after all).

Men provide the sperm and supposedly the income to raise a child to independence, which gives them paternal rights. But now almost 50% of marriages end in divorce. Where does that leave women, whose bodies and financial lives have been catastrophically altered by pregnancy and childbirth?

To all you huffer-puffers, ranting on about father's rights and the rights of the unborn (in an overburdened world of 7+ billion people, for goodness sake, with hundreds of thousands dying and mutilated every year as a result of war), get real!

Women's rights ARE the issue. THEY are the reproducers, and THEY should dictate the world's reproductive program. Men, take your bruised egos, calm down and go watch a sunset.
Posted by Killarney, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:40:33 AM
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To Killarney,

Do you see the alternative to just not have sex before wanting children as unattainable? If so then no you are actually part of the problem. If we chose not to have sex then we choose to not have children. If we choose to have sex then kill off the children then how is that not sick and twisted?

I was part of the problem too. I see the problem and have taken part of the problem in my younger years. But killing is not a solution I can ever condone. Don't have sex. That is the solution. Don't hype up sex, or all of the imaginings of sex from romantic flings in a failed marriage or exploring all the sexy ways to please ourselves. Theses are in our cultures so much that kids don't have much of a chance to reset sex if they ever find a romantic relationship.

Is it not a sickness that most people are incapable of being in a relationship and waiting until marriage to have sex?

Killing should never be the solution for our inability to control ourselves.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 22 September 2017 1:01:44 AM
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If God hates sex, why did he make it so much fun?

//Don't have sex. That is the solution.//

Or join a Protestant church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBjsFAyiwA

Thanks, Martin Luther.

//Is it not a sickness that most people are incapable of being in a relationship and waiting until marriage to have sex?//

Nope.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 22 September 2017 1:57:19 AM
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Not_Now.Soon :

“Abortion kills. That's the truth of it.”

You don’t know that for sure. It is just an opinion. Nobody knows for sure when life begins and so they cannot know when killing starts.

Why should your opinion be more valid to a woman considering an abortion than her own opinion?

For you it is just a theoretical exercise but for a pregnant woman it is a very practical dilemma. She has to make a decision one way or the other and live with the consequences of her choice.

How would you like it if someone else told you how to deal with your practical problems when they have no more information about your situation than you do yourself? It would be judged as extremely arrogant.

A pregnant woman cannot avoid a decision either to carry on with the pregnancy or terminate it. She cannot afford the luxury of years of theoretical wavering.

She is the only one who has both an opinion and a decision to make. You only have an opinion to worry about. A foetus does not have an opinion nor can it make decisions. The only person whose opinion is relevant when all other opinions are equal is the person who will be affected by action.
Posted by phanto, Friday, 22 September 2017 8:39:10 AM
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