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Political reformation : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 27/7/2017

Clearly, it is long overdue to reform Australian politics and voters are now in a mood to take a huge hit at a complacent Establishment which is serving us badly.

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Dictator!

Why not simply state your intention to rule over the Australian provinces from Beijing?

Yes, it would be nice to break Australia into 50 states - but then get rid of the overlording commonwealth!

To begin with, let's have independence for the Australian states as they are today: this certainly will save the expense of the Canberra parliamentarians and their regime.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 27 July 2017 8:54:31 AM
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Ban all political parties and get rid of states.
Appoint the person most suitable for the task to that task.
Have elections for individuals putting their case for the appropriate job as in "real life".
The Leader to be the person responsible for the Environment. After all that is what keeps us alive and nothing can be more important.
That should ensure that none of the present bunch stick about.
Posted by ateday, Thursday, 27 July 2017 9:37:55 AM
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Sorry mate, don't buy any of this, given you seem to be focused almost exclusively on the needs of the politicians, rather than the folk they allegedly serve!?

There is an appetite for change, with the first surely just getting the no can do, roadblocks out of the way!

Yes we have far too many, endlessly arguing the point pollies and too many frozen, resolutely immovable, afraid to make a decision for fear of failure. Like rabbits caught in the spotlight and it would seem, not quite as intelligent?

The pollies we just don't need are those warming leather in state, middlemen fee charging, parliaments! And cost us 70 plus billions per while they doze undoing what the other lot did; and before a single service or amenity is rolled out courtesy of completely non essential, cost adding administrations.

With one single exception, we remain the most over-governed country in the world.

Simply put, when leaders and politicians have to make a case for their cause with insurmountable unarguable reasoned logic, reliant on principled persuasion only.

That along with costless civility and courtesy, will be the very reform we need!

Born to rule, foul mouthed bullies, serving this or that vested interest? Have had their day and stuffed this nation up, almost beyond redemption and repair!

Think, we were once the third wealthiest nation on the planet and a creditor one at that! With a Manufacturing/ideas based, economy!

Yes there is an appetite for change, just not in those currently occupying this nation's alleged parliaments!? Nor in any of the current occupants?

Solution?

Get out and vote and put the (bought and paid for?) incumbents last on the ballot paper!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 27 July 2017 10:30:12 AM
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Alan B: You claim: "The pollies we just don't need are those warming leather in state, middlemen fee charging, parliaments! And cost us 70 plus billions per while they doze undoing what the other lot did; ", so where did you get this figure from? I suspect you just made that up!

All of the politicians salaries at all levels of government, together with all of their support stuff, across the whole of Australia wouldn't even come close to this figure! 70 Billion is *a lot* of money-- you obviously have no idea how big it really is. Just to give you some perspective, there are over 100 countries whose whole nominal GDP is less than $70B-AUD. Indeed, it is about equivalent to the GDP of Luxembourg which is a country with some of the very highest average incomes and standards of living in the world. So do you really think that the combined income of that just a few thousand pollies and stuff is equal to this?

Also you say: "With one single exception, we remain the most over-governed country in the world.". What do you mean by "over-governed"- are you referring to the number of levels of government? Or the ratio of politicians to population? Or something else? If you're refferring to the number of levels of Government, then Australia is nothing special compared to other highly developed countries with large areas (such as USA or Canada: both have 3 levels of government internal to the country plus the UN externally if you want to count that as well). Many European countries which are all smaller geographically than Australia also have 3 or more levels internal to the country (eg: France has 4 levels- National, Regions, Department and Communes) and they also have the EU parliament and UN government structures above them.
Posted by thinkabit, Thursday, 27 July 2017 12:59:51 PM
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Thinkabit. An oxymoron if ever there was one.

Around this world there are single cities with populations larger than Australia! And administered by single authorities.

You can suspect all you want! But the reported and published, all the money in, money out figures, are out there for those who genuinely want to see them?

Just as one example, look at the school halls roll out and then try to understand, if that's possible? Why the same hall rolled out by a, so called, state administration. Sometimes cost 30% more than the same hall, financed by private schools.

State boundaries should only exist for competing sports!

After that all the blame shifting and costly duplication would cease if a single financing government handled it and those costs could be further reduced with much more regional autonomy and direct funding models that simply bypassed the cost adding middleman!

Meaning as much as 30% more would be available for health and education as coalface expenditure!

After all, we are just one country!

And I stand by what I've read, believe, recall and recount!

Moreover, in my working life as an analyst, I had to nut out accurately, hundreds of complex computations daily, minus the use of a calculator.

So I understand some maths!

You can suspect that 1+1 make 11 if you like?

These state parliament acronyms may have been necessary, when we were seven different, steam and overland telegraph colonies, with real borders and customs etc, allowing stuff in if the tariffs were right!

And still run as seven different and competing countries, today, in a very different 21st century.

I suspect you are only able to cast doubt? By claiming that you suspect! Rather than come up with some bona fide, published, ipso facto, fact checking of your own?

Too bone lazy perhaps? And then we wonder why we are going to hell in a handbasket?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 27 July 2017 4:19:43 PM
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Alan B: You say "Around this world there are single cities with populations larger than Australia! And administered by single authorities."-
Here is a list of the largest cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities. It shows only three cities (bounded by the one administration), Shanghai (pop:approx 24.25M), Karachi (~23.5M) and Beijing (~21.5M) that have populations comparable with Australia's (24.5M). NONE OF THEM are distinctly larger than Australia's population (although Shanghai may be just larger depending on the accuracy and timeliness of these satistics). Also note that ALL citizens of them are governed by multiple layers of government. Each of these layers of government provide services and law making within their areas of responsibilities. Indeed in some villages/towns in China there can be upto 5 levels while sometimes in Pakistan more than 3 as well (when including local/tribal semi-formal governing arrangements of Pakistani backwaters).

Now, referring back to your original squeal: you don't seem to understand that there is a difference between a government's parliament and its civil service. You are clearly referring to politicians and parliament costing us billions of dollars and not the executive/civil service (which you switch to talking about in your last rant). So instead of me wasting my much more valuable and important than your time- I suggest you google "Separation of Powers" and "Westminster System".

--Continued below--
Posted by thinkabit, Thursday, 27 July 2017 7:10:56 PM
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