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Labor: putting unions first : Comments

By John Slater, published 1/7/2016

As AWU Secretary, Bill Shorten negotiated a pay deal which cut the pay of casual cleaners from $28-$29 an hour to a meagre $18.

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John Salter your a prefect candidate for the liberal party..
Never let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Never hold an opinion that your not willing to change at the drop of an opinion poll.
Never show the slightness doubt that your current strongly held belief could possible be incorrect.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Friday, 1 July 2016 8:57:33 AM
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I've read some political propaganda, but hardly more blatant than this? Of course Labor is going to put unions first! That's who pays the piper! As to destructive practises? Why single unions out, and a few grubs ripping off the occasional million, when banks are apparently boosting billions with absolute impunity? Or is corrupt practise only evil when practised by blue collar workers?

If saving a few hundred thousand manual labor jobs threatened by new migrants, meant absolutely having to wear a pay cut in return for relative permanency; I know what I'd choose! Particularly if there were mortgage payments and mouths to feed!?

$29.00 an hour for around 20 part time casualized hours, might seem like good money but it's still just north of $500.00 a week. Whereas $18.00 an hour for 50 hours averaged, is around $900.00 a week and made more palatable with a degree of permanency? If I were committed to a $400.00 a week mortgage, I'd know which I'd prefer! We can't all be bently borne bankers "earning" seven figure salaries!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 1 July 2016 9:49:13 AM
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Completely ignoring the fact that it was BIG BUSINESS that forced the wage deal on the union.
BIG BUSINESS that cut the workers wages.
It is always the corporate fat cats that destroy workers and their lives.
No amount of lies about labor and unions will change the fact that it is the BOSSES and the LIARS PARTY that screw workers and their families.
Posted by mikk, Friday, 1 July 2016 10:45:03 AM
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"Like Calwell, Bill Shorten plans to subsidise uncompetitive industries and run a budget deficit to lavish more funds on health and education."

Firstly, what is this plan of Shorten's to "subsidise uncompetitive industries"? The only one I can think of is to help the car parts makers adapt to making other products when (through no fault of their own) their major customers shut. But that's a one off to help the industry remain competitive, not an ongoing subsidy to keep it operating uncompetitively.

Secondly, weren't plans to subsidise uncompetitive industries bipartisan policy in Calwell's day?

Thirdly, running a budget deficit is sensible and (and probably unavoidable) at this stage of the economic cycle, and it makes much more sense to spend more on health and education than on corporate tax cuts.
 

"Bill Shorten himself is no stranger to enterprise agreements where fleecing workers is the price of political gain. As AWU Secretary, Bill Shorten negotiated a pay deal which cut the pay of casual cleaners from $28-$29 an hour to a meagre $18."
...And as he himself pointed out to the TURC, the Workchoices policy that was in force then prevented him from getting a better deal.
 

"It's estimated that restoring the Australian Building and Construction Commission would alone would boost productivity by at least 9 per cent and improve consumer welfare by $7.5 billion a year."

Who estimated it, and what was their estimate based on? It failed to achieve those results in the past, but it compromised safety, resulting in more people dying in construction site accidents.

Corruption must be dealt with, but the ABCC is not the only way of dealing with it, and probably isn't the best way. And FWIW it's the crossbench senators, not Labor, who've convinced me of that.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 1 July 2016 10:46:24 AM
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I agree with Cobber the hound, another load of old flannel from a mouthpiece for the the cut your wages increase our profits we dont care if you starve,its the markets, Bunkum pal you and your should try working some time IPA the lot of you are not worth the oxygen you breath
Posted by John Ryan, Friday, 1 July 2016 12:12:32 PM
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Where the besmirched Slater says:

"They speak to a diseased culture defined by self-interest, rent seeking and an ingrained hostility to market competition."

I thought Slater was referring to the closed shops of Surgeons, other Medical Specialists and Barristers.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 1 July 2016 12:45:47 PM
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