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Bremain redux a lesson for our political class : Comments

By Graham Young, published 27/6/2016

It is a powerful coalition because it tends to value experience over theories, which is really to say reality over fantasy.

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Yes Graham the population has asserted its right to be heard, but what are they saying? That they don't like the manufacturing jobs that used to support them and a far more robust economy being offshored to suit the maximised profit curve of mostly foreign owned or controlled companies, that they reject globalisation or being swamped with unmanageable levels of migrants?

Of course those on the extreme right will say it's about lots of other things like sovereignty, independence and controlling migrant numbers, and the moribund will agree with them, given nothing much changes for the ruled or governed!

And as seen before, antiestablishment and unfathomable unrest used by those born to rule to roll out their own agenda? Fascists, communists, racial supremacists and an assortment of tails that just want to wag the dog!

Will the rust belt become productive again as the smart money moves to Europe or a newly independent Scotland or reunited Ireland?

Houses may fall in prices and become more affordable? For whom, the unemployed or debt laden foreign investors? The only ones gormless enough to see decaying buildings in areas with little or no industries or income generation to support them, as good investment?

Young folk wanted to remain but stayed at home like around 20% of them always do, then wanted a new referendum to allow them to exercise a right they didn't value enough the first time!

While those who lust for power might well get it, it will likely be as big frogs in much smaller puddles? If anyone believes any real or universal measureable good at all, will come out of this result, they're dreaming!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 27 June 2016 10:33:46 AM
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The head line says what's important:

"It is a powerful coalition because it tends to value experience over theories, which is really to say reality over fantasy."

Dead right - especially they are fed up with the fantasy of catastrophic human caused climate change/global warning and the consequences of the ideologically driven, irrational policies being implemented on the claim they can control the climate. What a ridiculous belief. And look at the consequences. Millions in energy poverty as electricity prices have soured, e.g. up 133% in UK as a result of the irrational policies - and all for what? They won't make an iota of difference to the climate.
Posted by Peter Lang, Monday, 27 June 2016 10:42:16 AM
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Brexit gives hope that, at last, political correctness, top down rule and left desctruction of common sense is on the way out. The reaction of the maniacs to the vote proves beyond all doubt what a crazy bunch of anarchists and fools they are are.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 27 June 2016 11:49:09 AM
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Peter Lang, nobody is saying we can CONTROL the climate. But your claim that "They won't make an iota of difference to the climate" is quite a ridiculous belief. The fantasy that there's no human caused climate change/global warning is something that contradicts both experience and theory.

And theories are not fantasies. There's a big difference between a theory and a discredited hypothesis, yet you're treating them the same. A real theory is an explanation that fits the facts. Theories are needed because our experience is limited e.g. humans have not directly experienced catastrophic global warming.

It's not why UK energy prices have soared. That's because of the failure to build new nuclear power stations before the old ones closed down. And that's partly due to its unprofitability around the turn of the millennium the private sector weren't interested and the Blair government was reluctant to act. And under Cameron the government appears to have panicked, abandoning value for money considerations when they approved Hinkley Point C.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 27 June 2016 12:15:58 PM
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What is interesting is that in three recent referendums the position taken by the political class has been been defeated. In Australia, the Republican push; in New Zealand the flag change and now Brexit. When the plebs get a chance they ignore the propaganda poured out by the 'progressives' in all the mainstream media
Posted by Outrider, Monday, 27 June 2016 2:22:13 PM
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You are right Peter Lang. It shows that some people can think despite the billions wasted on propaganda. Unfortunately here both Turnbull and Shorten believe in the fantasy. Maybe their is not enough people out of work to realise the billions that could be put to useful purposes instead of lining the pockets of the renewable high priests.
Posted by runner, Monday, 27 June 2016 2:27:18 PM
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