Perverse propaganda from a professional victim? Which highlights the huge gap between incompatible cultures.

First you impose yourself on incompatible cultures as Islam spreads with a stated goal to convert the world to a fundamentally flawed latter day Ideology created by men and men alone!

And having found sanctuary among patently despised Christian culture, instead of trying as others have done, to seamlessly blend in, endlessly complain about things you don't like about it!

The comparison between rape and having a headscarf removed simply beggars belief and a huge disservice to real victims of actual rape, which seems to be the speciality of gangs of muslim men, who wander once peaceful streets looking for a woman on her own.

You adroitly avoid examining what is wrong with your culture even as you seem to want to impose it and everything that is wrong with it on the entire world?

Alice, if it's so bad here there are a couple of mostly Muslim countries not all that far away you could choose to relocate to, if they'll accept you?

I'm sure we could raise the airfare in just days by passing that hat around; and then wave you and yours goodbye, with a grateful good riddance.
Alan B.

“The forcible removal of headscarves by strangers in public places, which Muslim women regarded as degrading as rape.”

Maybe it is values like these which make non-Muslims call for more enlightenment amongst Muslim women. Non-Muslim women should be challenging these values because they are inhuman.

When you equate the removal of a head scarf with the violence of being raped then you obviously have some issues about the dignity of the human body and everyone’s fundamental right to determine with whom they will have sexual relations. Rape is a complete violation of a basic human right which everyone has and that is why it is so traumatic.

The right to wear religious clothes is also a right but if that right is taken away momentarily then it should not be anywhere near as traumatic as rape. There is no fundamental right being denied. A fundamental right is one that everyone wants to protect and everyone wants to protect their right to control their own body. Only some people want to protect the right to wear religious headdress. It causes distress to Muslim women not because of some basic human right being violated but because of their emotional dependence on their religion. If they do not wear head scarves they are in violation of the rules of their religion and they are dependent on their religion. Dependence on religion leads to warped values and threatens to undermine all the good values that women in particular have fought to bring to the surface.

Muslim women are not down trodden because they are controlled by men – they are downtrodden because they are dependent on religion and it does not have to be that way.

She of Sweeping Statements (Alice) comes up this time with the one about "Western society" thinking that Muslim women are victims (of Muslim men). Western society as text books perhaps, Alice, but not the real, thinking people who make up the free-thinking Western society, which cannot be compared with your own narrow, medieval Muslim society.

Muslim women are not victims. Even the strident feminists in the West do not believe Muslim women are victims: they never utter a word on the subject of Muslim women (rather, concentrating on their Western brothers). And, they are apparently right to stay quiet; after all, Muslim women are always denying that they are victims, joyfully following the Koran and the Blessed Mohammed, by wearing bags on their heads and black sheets to cover their bodies.

Muslim women are just as culpable in the ridiculous oppressiveness of Islam as are the simple-minded, often vicious and dangerous, men. The few wimps in the Western society you refer to, Alice, are those who take the 'nice' easy way to vent their feelings by putting in a word for the 'poor women', instead of speaking the truth about the full horror of Islam. They are the same people who wail about drowings at sea, instead of being straight up, and saying we don't want Muslims endangering our physicality and our culture.

actually Western girls in the hands of those creating programs such as 'safe schools' will turn out to be greater victims than muslim women. Already multitudes have found out that the perverse degrading outcomes of secular humanism which promises freedom has only led to suicide, degradation and ultimately unhappy lives. Just watch some of the old feminist on Q&A and ask if you want your daughters turning out as bitter, twisted and nasty.

"Imperial feminism, approving Western imperialism in order to save other women, has a long history."

It's pure sophistry to misrepresent the concept of universal human rights as an example of imperialism. Those women who were stoned to death for 'adultery', or who were the victims of 'honour killings', or the atheists and Christians hacked to death for 'blasphemy' might have welcomed the intervention of imperialist Westerners.

It's hell here in Australia for Muslims with all those uppity Kuffars with their contempt for Islam and its toxic ideology. That said, I'd rather be a Muslim in Australia than a Christian in Turkey, or any majority Muslim nation.

ttbn,

"your own narrow, medieval Muslim society."

The late Medieval period in the West was one of the great ages of history, many of our modern institutions were developed during that period. One of the reasons for Islamic culture's primitive nature is probably that it has never experienced an equivalent of a Medieval period.

It's not christians invading Muslim schools and kidnaping teenage kids en masse to use and brutalise as sex slaves; but rather Muslim men who seem to believe the so called non believer is fair game? It's just too easy to ignore that, while concentrating on those few in our midst who remind us of Muslim men in terms of rigid intolerance.

And if Muslim extremists and their activities are making it too hot here, rubbish them rather than the long suffering host, who simply doesn't share your unhealthy attitude to what is beautiful in the eyes of the creator who made it and delivered it absolutely stark naked into this world.

There's nothing wrong with women who wear brief bikinis just the puritanical nut jobs who can't control their peckers!

We have a beach culture and freedom of dress! And that's how it was long before we took our disapproving medieval muslim migrants in, who want to change everything including a perfectly natural non obsessed healthy attitude toward women and their God created bits.

I've seen the full hijab and understand women as ugly as those who wore them, were ashamed of the creator's handiwork and felt compelled to cover it up.

Or were so blindingly beautiful and sexy that mere men would immediately lose all cognitive function and control and just go around raping everything in sight, including the occasional knotty lamp post?

Ouch careful honey, those ironbark splinters hurt more on the way out than when they went in! And a sure fire method of taking the "starch" out of the occasional (ouch, ouch) male member.
Alan B.