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Useful Idiots : Comments

By Richard Stokes, published 3/2/2016

Appeasers are once again protecting Islam, presumably on the assumption that because it is a monotheistic religion it is somehow equivalent to Christianity, and telling us that we can dialogue with 'moderate' Muslims.

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As an atheist I would like to see Islam (and every other religion) dissolve overnight, but as a pragmatist I know that's not going to happen. And the people who are suffering most from fundamentalist Muslims are Muslims themselves. They're also the ones who are spending the most money and making the most effort to control it. As the front line warriors in the battle against fundamentalism, they're entitled to decide what approach they think is effective. What someone in the West advises from the comfort of their armchair may not be what works in the slums of Karachi or the mountains of Afghanistan.

The overwhelming likelihood is that Islam will go the same way as Christianity in the west; as an increasing number of its followers become aware of its logical and social failings it will become a kind of hobby, a comforting personal belief which is generally recognised as too weak to support decisions about moral behaviour. But calls to demonise Islam in general are more likely to delay this change than to hasten it, particularly when they come from Westerners who have little or no understanding of the enormous diversity of Islamic sects and the wide variation in the things they believe.

One of the most heartening things I read recently was from an interview with the female head of a Muslim community group in Australia. "We don't listen to the imams," she said in effect. "They just don't get what we're trying to achieve." That may be poor theology, but it's a big step in the direction of social harmony.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 8:43:21 AM
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A very good article that will have no effect on the useful idiots.

Muslims are forbidden to be friendly with non-Muslims. "Moderate" Muslims are told to lie in the name of Islam, so we have no idea whether or not there are any moderate Muslims.

If the useful idiots help, and actually encourage Muslims to gradually become a physical threat to Australia, who do the useful idiots think the 'moderates' will support?

Christianity is so weak that it is no deterrent to Islam, so it has no relevance whatsoever. 'No Muslims in the West' is the only guarantee of protection.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 9:17:34 AM
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Well said Jon J.
Christianity can't handle it's own child sex abuse scandals, let alone try and battle any problems other religions may have.
We would be better off without organized religions at all.
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 10:21:54 AM
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Jon J says most of it for me and can add little.

Except to say the article was, well just a little too pedantic and one eyed for me.

In any event, take a couple of steps back through the centuries, and this critique could have been applied to unreformed christianity with warrior Popes at the head of butchering armies.

Somes wives and mothers have been successful in ushering in formerly unacceptable social reform and just by the judicious use of the gander paddock, but as a united we stand divided we fall group that will not concede ground!
Perhaps the female leaders inside the Muslim tent could emulate that example?

And indeed provide sanctuary where some elemental brute/knuckle dragging stone age nethenrendal tries to force his will with his fists or whatever?

Even so, perhaps we need to repatriate some of the members of the muslim community, particularly where no genuine social unification is possible?

Or failing that, create a purpose built ghetto, but in splendid unique isolation, where they will not have to be troubled by those pesky westerners or their ways.

The desert nomads in their midst, can perhaps show them how to survive in our arid outback? They won't have to worry too much about unwanted assimilation out there?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 10:36:58 AM
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Suseonline, "We would be better off without organized religions at all"

On continuous loop with the over-used, logically flawed 'others are just as bad' nonsense.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 10:39:21 AM
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Feminism/secularism is very limited to rationality due to their warped narrative. Chritophobes have never been able to face truth hence the condoning of rapist, terrorist and baby killing. Having totally misrepresented Chritianity, secularist know if they based belief on rational and truth that self examination exposes their thoroughly corrupt nature. They lie about Christianity, deny their own absurb logic, so what chance of looking honestly at Islam. Zero I suspect.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 10:54:16 AM
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