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2016 is census year. But why do we bother? : Comments

By Ross Elliott, published 1/12/2015

You can almost guarantee that sections of industry, media, think tanks and various lobby groups will either turn blind eyes to the findings, or find ways to contort the findings to suit their various agendas.

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Yet another case of coercion, where the state forces itself on everyone despite having harmed no one, just because they happen to reside on this continent.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 7:04:52 AM
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The Aussie census is "the essential reference point for demographers, economists, researchers, planners, governments and industry". Maybe, but it has occurred to me many times over the past 50 years or so that the futile efforts of such folk to use census data primarily to generate forecasts are unlikely to be worth the substantial cost, which of course would have to include the cost of those very same "demographers, economists, researchers, planners, governments and industry". Isn't there a contrarian statistician out there who is game to do a cost/benefit study of the efforts of the whole caboodle of people who devote their careers to this kind of thing? Would not our lives be happier and more exciting if we knew that we really don't know what's going to happen next rather than imagining that we do know?
Posted by Tombee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 7:28:34 AM
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I'll be overseas during the census, and deliberately so. The government already intrudes into our lives to an alarming degree and I really couldn't be bothered supplying them with duplicates of what they already know and a few sprinkles of what is none of their business.
Posted by Mayan, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 7:56:19 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

Yes, and because they happen to use publicly-funded roads, water supplies and electricity. And if they are crook, publicly-funded hospitals. Have you ever used any of those ? Then quit complaining.

I always wait for Census results (probably not out for another 18-20 months) with excitement: every Census, it seems that Indigenous graduate numbers go up around 40-50 per cent over the previous Census five years before. By next August, or whenever the Census is held, Indigenous graduate numbers will probably exceed forty thousand.

At the previous Censuses, the numbers have been:

1991 - 3,660

1996 - 8,830

2001 - 13,241

2006 - 19,246

2011 - 29,404

Annual Commonwealth Education Department figures [on: https://www.education.gov.au/student-data ], if anything, under-count graduate numbers (and probably enrolment numbers as well), so 40,000 is certainly a probability.

I look forward to Indigenous 'leaders' in education, one day perhaps, catching up with the data, and making at least some minimal comment about those numbers, instead of using figures which are ten years out of date. Why do they do that ? Here I am, a useless old fart, who can find the latest figures, and they use ten-year-old figures. Why ? What do they have to gain by crying down the figures ? Surely they want MORE, not FEWER, graduates ? Surely they want 'mass Indigenous higher education success', and not to confine that success to a favoured few, such as themselves ? Surely not ?

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 8:11:42 AM
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Why ? What do they have to gain by crying down the figures ? Surely they want MORE, not FEWER, graduates ? Surely they want 'mass Indigenous higher education success', and not to confine that success to a favoured few, such as themselves ? Surely not ?'

As in all victim industries, there will always be dogmatic claims of inequality, that will withstand the test of time and any attempt at re-examination.

You must also account for the expansion of definitions. I am sure many more people are considered indigenous than used to be the case.

As with all SJW efforts, the first battle is to convince people they are victims.

For instance, the first step in any anti-bullying campaign would be to expand the definition of bullying and convince people they are being bullied.
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 9:47:02 AM
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Yuyutsu, exactly this is the communist, matriarchal nanny state on steroids.

Tombee, HEAR, HEAR. every single thing done by property developers & the property council since WW2 has been regressive.

Mayan, YES, total waste of money.

Loudmouth, ye God's, Aboriginal Australians were better educated before 1972 than they are now. Governments do NOT need census data to collect taxes & provide services. ALL young Australians should be getting good education & career opportunities. The TRUE purpose of multi-CULT-uralism was to train Aboriginal people to think the stone age culture they had 200 years ago is superior to the traditional British culture that arrived 200 years ago.

Aboriginal people right now have a wonderful opportunity to reject the victimhood that communism taught them & improve their lives by becoming enlightened, conservative, protesting Christians. Then they will be able to learn from the best culture in world history, while not forgetting the best aspects of Aboriginal culture, marrying the 2 together & improving their lives.

The left wing, atheistic, secular humanists are in fact ANTI-human, want you to remain poor, on welfare & whinging.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 9:48:36 AM
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