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Security Council permanent members herald armed action against Islamic State : Comments

By David Singer, published 5/11/2015

International co-operation to defeat Islamic State through a Security Council Resolution authorising the use of armed force had previously risked being vetoed by either Russia or America.

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Daesh needs to be defeated, that's for sure, but what has this silly "UN" and its "Security Council" to do with it? Do you suggest, David, that everyone must wait for its formal decision to attack Daesh?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 5 November 2015 11:47:54 AM
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Oh yes Yuyutsu, I think all the other countries of the world should rush in to Syria, willy nilly, and attack anything that moves, without any coordination or cooperation at all.

Then they could all move on to any other country that may remotely have any 'daesh' members at all, and obliterate them too.

Yes, that should work....
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 5 November 2015 9:02:52 PM
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#Yuyutsu

Yes - unless Syria invites countries in to help it - which it has with Russia but not America.

America claims to be in Syria at the invitation of Iraq to help prevent Islamic State spreading from Syria into Iraq - a very tenuous legal assertion and one fraught with great dangers where Russia and America are operating under separate command structures.

The only way to clear up the legalities and ensure a world effort to defeat Islamic State is through a UN Security Council resolution under article 42 of the UN charter.

The Security Council has already declared Islamic State a threat to world peace and security and has tried to defeat it by non- military action which has failed.

The time for armed action under Article 42 is long overdue.

It is clear that had this action been taken six months ago untold numbers of lives would have been saved and the immigration crisis facing the European Union would have been avoided.

Putting off the inevitable always makes doing the deed that so much harder.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 6 November 2015 8:19:07 AM
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Dear David,

My hope and aim is to clear up Daesh - not to clear up legalities.
To ensure that they are wiped off the face of the earth - not to ensure that efforts of whatever kind are made.

Had your own house been infested by red-backs, would you also apply to the security council first, fill all the forms and wait 6+ months till they perhaps approve? I would reach straight for the broom!

Do you advise Israel also to wait for the UN when attacked by Arab terrorists?

But I do understand where you come from, you seem to have just one criterion to decide between right and wrong: "Is it good for the Jews?".

I agree that such delay-tactics so that Daesh is destroyed later rather than sooner are good for the Jews, only TALKING about how bad Daesh are, because meanwhile they engage Hezbollah, keeping them away from Israel's Lebanese border and spilling their blood so it will take them years to lick their wounds and attack Israel again.

Also, you must be worrying that should the authority of the UN be undermined, then what should be the state of their original decisions to have a Jewish state, as if the existence of Israel depended on a piece of paper. When the Halutzim first came to Israel they didn't ask for the world's permission to settle, they just did!

... or perhaps you are concerned that should the UN be ignored, then international lawyers like yourself would be out of job...

Sorry, but I care for the Yazidis and the Kurds just as well.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 6 November 2015 9:14:39 AM
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#Yuyutsu

Your concern to wipe out Islamic State and for the welfare of the Yazidis and Kurds is very touching.

How come you were unable to express those feelings when I published the following articles on 9 ,10 and 11 September 2013 in OLO?

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15451
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15459
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15466

May I suggest you butt out and spend the time reading article 42 of the UN charter and try to understand why action is now needed under that section to end the slaughter in Syria - given the failure over at least the last two years to bring this about.

Yes Yuyutsu - I was writing out against what was happening in Syria in 2013 and what was required to bring it to an end. I have written many articles on Syria and Islamic State since then.

What were you doing? Point me to some posts you might have made anywhere since then or before similar to those you are making now in response to this article.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 7 November 2015 8:21:04 AM
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Dear David,

I checked and found that between Sep. 9-11 2013, I only posted in OLO 4 times, on 2 different topics, none of which related to the Middle-East.

It is likely that I haven't even had the time to notice your article then, let alone read it and comment. I do have a busy life other than on OLO and there are times when I am busier than others. Overall I would estimate that on long-term average I read about 1/3 of the articles here, then comment about half of those.

What concerns me most that brings me to OLO, is the issue of individual freedoms in general and religious freedoms in particular, mainly within Australia where I live. I usually (but not always) also read the articles on Israel because it concerns the welfare of my family who lives there.

As I prioritise what to read, I would tend to select articles containing "Israel", but deselect articles whose title begins with the word "Obama" - after all, what have I to do with those Americans?

Regarding the UN, I already voiced my view that they are good for nothing and we would be better without them.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 8 November 2015 7:34:40 AM
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