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What is eugenics? : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 28/10/2015

Eugenics can operate on three levels nature, breeding and care of animals, and human care of the next human generation.

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Whoa! 2,200+ words.

Bit of a throw away "How oxymoronic can it be for military research to be provided with almost bottomless funding to develop wired-up soldiers and robot warriors that can replace live ones - while ordinary human beings remain stupid. Where can we find super-intelligence being devoted to no more war?"

Examples? Comparison of costs of "wired-up soldiers" research with pet food, cosmetics and the fat and stupid?

Note vast number of health and medical spinoffs-benefits from so-labelled "wired-up soldiers" research.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 10:52:07 AM
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'Eugenics' was the name invented by Francis Galton for the aim of making the next generations 'better' than the present. Eugenics meant "Well-born, or born well, the science of improving offspring". Dysgenics meant "Messing up eugenics to increase the suffering in the world" (My definition).

My theory of moral relativity:- dysgenics = left wing religion breeding each successive generation to be progressively worse than the last.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:04:20 PM
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Wikipedia has a more accurate definition of eugenics:
"Eugenics is a set of beliefs and practices which aims at improving the genetic quality of the human population. It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human genetic traits through the promotion of higher rates of sexual reproduction for people with desired traits (positive eugenics), or reduced rates of sexual reproduction and sterilization of people with less-desired or undesired traits (negative eugenics), or both."

There are two good reasons why we don't need eugenics:

Relying on genetics to do what could instead be done with technology would set us back thousands of years.

And as people gain the ability to hack DNA, human genetics can be improved without selective breeding.

So forget trying to impose restrictions on our right to reproduce we don't need them and in the long term they won't improve the human population anyway.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:53:02 PM
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I detest it when I see "putting a knife in someones spine and then making fun of them for being handicapped" tactics like I read in this article.

Let me explain.
When the rich go into other peoples countries and exploit, destabilize and turn them into hellhole third world nations incapable of getting their acts together, then blame them for their rate of reproduction, and then try to take away my right to have kids on the back of their endeavours it makes me mad.

I don't like it when you say that some unfit mothers and druggies should not be allowed to reproduce.
I understand your logic, but its an idiots logic.

Its BS and you know why?
OUR SOCIETY CREATES THESE PEOPLE ON PURPOSE.
Pays them to spread their legs and supports them for life.
Creates 'serfs' so that the 'rich' can get dollar for dollar super contributions.

Oh yes we're all about equality as a concept but truly entertaining the idea is so far removed from reality I think people have lost their marbles.

Ghetto creates Ghetto, The rich need the poor because they wont send their kids to fight the wars they start and they need someone to clean their toilets and empty their rubbish.

And THAT is the reason why only SOME kids go to university to eventually wear suits, and others do the real work.

Instead of focussing on transhumanism what you should be focussing on is what has already been lost.

Its called 'personal responsibility' and they don't teach it anymore.

Stop messing with the food, the animals, and our DNA.

And another thing...

These 'elites' think they are more intelligent than anyone else, but really they're not.
They don't work harder than anyone else, all they do is focus their money and power on exploiting others to increase their already existing wealth.
That doesn't make them any more righteous to push their beliefs onto others.

Forcing us into a global one-child policy will only serve to consolidate these elite families power and wealth against people and families who don't have it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 9:16:39 PM
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Oh and BTW...
Quote "The humans who tend animals that we eat for our food..."

They're not humans, they're people.

And they get themselves covered in animal excrement on a daily basis so you can have what you want on your plate, and that is about as honourable as any job.

And... I might add many of them commit suicide because our government wont support them or their industries in times of hardship.

They're people, don't insult them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 9:27:44 PM
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Aidan, selective breeding is a less polite way of saying arranged marriage which used to work quite well for most white Europeans about 300 years ago.

So forget trying to impose restrictions on our right to improve the human population so our children can have better lives.

Armchair Critic, i hear where you are coming from but 2 wrongs don't make a right. we need to address ALL issues you raised, so that the middle classes can deal decently with both the upper & lower classes.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 29 October 2015 3:58:42 AM
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