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Illegal logging and coercion of the state : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 4/9/2015

There is no presumption of innocence; importers must prove their timber is legal. Australian small business owners could become criminals because of illegal timber harvesting in other countries by other people.

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Agreed, especially if you replace costly renewables with cost competing carbon free or carbon neutral alternatives, which just has to include cheaper than coal thorium connected to micro grids, and homemade biogas.

Every family produce enough waste if converted to biogas i an Aussie invented smell free two tank system, would enable them to power their domiciles 24/7!

However if the noisy methane burning diesel is replaced by whisper quiet Aussie invented ceramic fuel cells, consuming scrubbed methane; that outcome would be replaced by a 50% salable surplus!

Why isn't that already part of our, burn gas not our forests, reality David?

Good question and one that can only be answered by our so called leaders!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 4 September 2015 10:13:32 AM
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Not just greenies but WORKERS of LEGAL logging businesses in Australia benefit from not have to compete with illegal wood imports.

This means it is an important law for keeping Australian JOBS.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 4 September 2015 5:18:59 PM
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Hi Plantagenet

I suspect David would agree with you that the ban is more aimed at “protecting” Australian jobs than saving endangered rainforest, but not that this is a good thing.

Any jobs gained in the Australian timber industry are at the expense of the jobs that in the importing and using industries that now face higher costs and more red tape. It’s no different to the tariffs and quotas that we have steadily, and rightly, dismantled in order to raise out living standards.
Posted by Rhian, Friday, 4 September 2015 7:31:50 PM
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Hi Rhian

If the jobs of Australian logging workers are saved, who legally log (and sawmill) plantation forests, I think that is important.

It is very undesirable if they lose their jobs to imported wood from slash and burn logging operations all over Southeast Asia. Take Sumatra and Borneo for example. Such loggers are typically stripping old growth which form the habitat of such endangered species as Orangatangs and very rare Southeast Asian tigers and rhinos.

The air pollution (greenhouse) gas effects of Sumatran land clearing/logging are also major.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 4 September 2015 8:15:25 PM
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Hi Plantagenet

I agree that illegal logging is a major problem, but as the article makes clear, Australia's policy has no effect on it.
Posted by Rhian, Friday, 4 September 2015 8:56:53 PM
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quote Rhian
"I agree that illegal logging is a major problem, but as the article makes clear, Australia's policy has no effect on it."

This sort of argument has a fatal flaw, for example Australia may as permit all crimes, as it will make no noticeable difference to the global crime rate and save a huge amount on law enforcement.
Posted by warmair, Friday, 4 September 2015 10:03:13 PM
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