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IVF success rates: to publish or not to publish? : Comments

By David Wilkinson, published 12/6/2015

IVF in Australia is a sophisticated and highly competitive industry, and there are differing opinions about whether patients should have access to comparative performance data to help them choose a fertility provider.

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Well given all medicine is based on informed consent and the occasional second opinion, why not publish!?

Folks desperate to start a family via a very costly service; ought to be at least allowed access to information that would enhance/maximize that possibility!

And isn't freedom of information an inherent right!

And given published success rates, force the cream/the best possible outcomes, and those who provide them, to rise to the top?

Besides, there is simply no justification, [other than burying your mistakes,] for secrecy.

It is not as if anyone's specific information, identity or right to privacy is being compromised or presented or proposed, as any sort of possible option!? Just raw data!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 12 June 2015 11:42:55 AM
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With the knowledge that no species can increase indefinitely and the earth's ecological footprint is 1.5 earths because of uncontrolled human increase increasing human fertility seems less reasonable than appendix transplants.
Posted by david f, Friday, 12 June 2015 2:35:51 PM
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What you say is correct for already overpopulated countries david f!

And perhaps you should travel to places like an already overpopulated India? To share with them the wisdom of your ideas?

Or is it possible they and other like them are already providing population control services/doing as much as they can, and via the public purse?

That said, I've yet to see one single post advocating an IVF clinic in clearly over populated countries!

Perhaps I missed something and you could direct our attention to where I/we have overlooked such an example?

Moreover, in a land as sparsely populated as Oz, and given the clientele pay from their own pockets for an entirely privatized service!

Those Australians wanting to make a family and have the means to follow their fondest dreams, should remain free to do so!

And a better outcome than necessarily increasing our population numbers via sometimes problematic immigration!

And essential for both security and economic reasons?

Or do you just don't get that; in your rush to get your endlessly put ideological position stated?

I mean, what is it you are actually proposing?

A final solution or a cull?

Or should every bloke, starting with you, lead by example and just tie a knot in it? I would, but I'd have to find it first!

Or is it yet again some control freak demanding of all others what he is not capable of doing himself; or simply couldn't as a younger man?

My sainted Mother had some interesting observations, one of which is, that a standing prick has no conscience?

And to be fair, that can be taken two ways. Personally or objectively?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 13 June 2015 11:37:53 AM
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Rhrosty wrote: What you say is correct for already overpopulated countries david f!

Dear Rhrosty,

In my opinion Australia is an overpopulated country. If all we had to consider was land area Antarctica would be underpopulated. Australia has only 3% of the fresh water that the US has. A country should have no more population than the land can support.

Australia is an old, dry continent. At approximately 30 million people we then can no longer export food as all that Australia produces will be needed for its own population. Sprawling cities are taking up the areas with good soil and adequate rainfall. Much of the rest of Australia is unsuitable for both agriculture and pastoralism. The population in the rest of the world is also increasing so we may not be able to import food. Most of Australia is unsuitable for agriculture. According to Professor John Woinarski of Charlles Darwin University: "In parts of the Northern Territory pastoralism resembles a form of strip mining, exporting soil nutrients from some of the poorest soils in Australia."

Climate change will cause reduced irrigation in the Murray-Darling basin and marginal land becoming arid.It would make sense to avoid increasing Australia's population or even reducing it right now.

One estimate is that the carbon footprint of the average Australian is 50 times that of the average Bangladeshi. Move a Bangladeshi to Australia where he or she lives the life of the average Australian, and the damage to the environment is much greater. Many Labor, Lib and Green politicians are all blind to this.

PM Howard talked about the Chinese all eventually having the lifestyle of the average Australian. That would make the planet uninhabitable.

Population control, changing individual lifestyle and government measures are all necessary to preserve the planet.it would be wonderful if we could offer every refugee refuge, but we should recognise that we can't do it. Abbott worries about the boat people. They are much less a problem than the legal immigration intake.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 13 June 2015 1:08:42 PM
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Northern pastoral practices are a problem and need to be changed, from a fire management practice which exports increasing rare soil nutrients; and destroys extremely rare and valuable non fire tolerant species, to one that outlaws the practice!

Fuel reduction can be accomplished far more efficiently with intensive short term call grazing, which instead of baking the soil and therefore making it impervious to often huge rainfall, breaks it open and allows the soil to absorb far more of it!

In a place where average annual rainfall can be often measured in metres, the non fire tolerant rain forest species ought to be allowed to do what nature intends, repopulate the area!

And with rain forest re-established, allow the recharge characteristics of all rain forests, to spread the rainfall far further south; and the rainfall recharging rain forests with it.

Irrigation along the Murray/Darling needs to be changed to one that at best uses just 1-2% of the water of traditional irrigation; and at worst, one that uses just half the water for twice the production! Doable!

Given the shortage of fresh water, much of that could be accomplished with currently wasted recyclable water!

A dual lane inland shipping canal would allow most of our shipping to avoid the Great Barrier Reef and cut thousands of kilometres off the journey, particularly with regard to exports.

Locks would allow huge northern tides to continually renew the water, and provide virtually costless motive power in both directions!

And also provide a source of water to allow much greater population density in our almost empty inland; thanks to new desal technology that produces potable water for quarter of the current cost and as much as 97% of it in said potable water!

Given that choice, only allow new building on land not suitable for much else; and we've almost a continent of that!

We've always solved overpopulation problems with migration, and given a practical warp drive is in the wings, might well do so again!?

Essential given a compulsive sex drive is often greater than the survival instinct!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 14 June 2015 11:49:08 AM
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