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Surfing gravity's waves still tough after decades of trying : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 5/6/2015

Ever since Einstein theorised that gravity waves existed, scientists have been trying to detect them. That century long quest may soon be over.

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‘morning Mark,

An interesting article but I know little about LISA/LIGO other than the NASA web site and their FAQ’s.

I have been following the research from CERN in general and Prof. Nicholas Mee in particular. I don’t know if the LISA/LIGO projects in their search for waves, run parallel with or are part of the particle physics being examined at CERN?

On the face of they seem to be two different approaches. One is looking for detection of the (gravitational) waves, the other is looking for the point of convergence between the unified theory of (Quantum Electro Dynamics) QED and General and Special Relativity, which at this stage can’t be seen to converge as a GUT.

I do know that CERN has restarted after a long upgrade to their LHC and can now probe particles well beyond their previous limit of 14 TeV. (10-12).

It seems energies beyond QED are needed to reach the point of convergence between Gravity and QED to produce the GUT. This point is thought to be somewhere within the QUANTUM JELLY below QED Particle Physics.

Should be interesting to see who gets there first?
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 5 June 2015 10:51:22 AM
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Good, but then given the symbiosis in much of scientific discovery, we may advance quicker towards anti gravity and or warp drives that take us to the stars; or even beam me up Scotty teleportation?

When we just junk the big bang theory and or something from nothing, in favor of a vastly more rational projection/ejaculation of dark matter as the source of the universe and everything in it, including gravity, which is vastly weaker than magnetism!

Interestingly, a spinning top with magnets placed around the entire circumference, seems to be able to beat/defy gravity or hover!

Perhaps when we understand that phenomena, we will understand the nature of gravity? And or, how to create it artificially? Or somehow surf on its waves?

And hasn't the wave theory been replaced by the string theory?

The thing I find most perplexing in all of this postulation, is just how long is a piece of string anyway?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 5 June 2015 12:49:20 PM
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‘morning Rhrosty,

<< Interestingly, a spinning top with magnets placed around the entire circumference, seems to be able to beat/defy gravity or hover! >>

No Rhrosty, long ago debunked! It’s the base plate that creates the magnetic field to support the magnetism of the spinning Top.

Pure Quantum Electro Dynamics, not magic!

<< And hasn't the wave theory been replaced by the string theory? >> No Rhrosty!

Group symmetry holds that each type of particle is a vibration of a corresponding field throughout space. Symmetries can be broken by such as the Higgs Force and energy is thus converted into matter. Thus Particles have Wave like properties and Waves have Particle like properties.

The Grand Unified Theory (GUT, the unification of quantum mechanics, the laws of physics and those of the laws of general/special relativity) will be resolved at a point somewhere between the current QED/QCD quantum’s energy (14 TeV. (10:12) and Planck Energy (10:19 GeV). A point at which Gravity interacts with Particles.

So somewhere within the plank distance (Planck length is Planck time, which is 10-43 seconds) beyond the now complete QED/QCD theory of quantum mechanics, there is a theoretical point at which the entirely separate (at this stage) laws of gravity are unified with the quantum laws of physics.

This region below QED/QCD unification is referred to as “quantum jelly” and whilst wave/particle theory is incomplete at these energy levels, the variations of existing wave/particle theory are being considered in the form of “M theory” and “string theory”.

Why would scientists replace a theory that has just completed the unification of quantum physics with the discovery of the Higgs Particle?

Hope this helps (:
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 5 June 2015 1:54:56 PM
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"This region below QED/QCD unification is referred to as “quantum jelly”"

Oh dear, I must have missed that paper, spindoc. Would you mind putting up a link to an authoritative source?
Posted by Craig Minns, Friday, 5 June 2015 2:33:44 PM
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Goggling 'quantum jelly' reveals a couple of interesting explanations:

1) Quantum Jelly

Jelly which is both on the knife, in the jar and on the toast. You can't tell which by looking, because you'll change the outcome.

2) Quantum Jelly is simply a collection of percussive beeps — an incremental series of glitches in the experimental and noise scenes... the building blocks of rave laid bare.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Friday, 5 June 2015 3:49:41 PM
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'morning Craig,

<< Oh dear, I must have missed that paper, spindoc. Would you mind putting up a link to an authoritative source? >>

Graig, why is it that an entire post with wide ranging explanations to another poster is disgarded in your pursuit of an expression you have missed?

Of course you may have a link however, I would just like to understand your focus as either constructive or destructive. So how about you comment on the physics I presented in the post first, then I will help you with an explanation and link referencing the expression "quantum jelly".
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 5 June 2015 3:56:17 PM
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