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Australia: the future junior ally of Japan : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 5/2/2015

Japan is mainly thinking about the potential economic benefits of contested islands in the South China and East China Seas.

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Regarding the first paragraph. Naturally the US Government and its junior Australian ally want to remove Islamic State (IS) from the oil lands of Iraq.

Australia shouldn't stop at having one exclusive ally (the US). Australia needs more senior allies to lead it - to the conflicts of their choosing. Japan in 2 years? Maybe China in 10 years?
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 February 2015 9:03:42 AM
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If the principle reason for buying new subs is for intell gathering, why buy noisy diesel electrics?

When we could have vastly less detectable nuclear powered ones?
And the lower dollar means making them here may make better economic sense?

Modern nuclear powered subs could get and maintain speeds of up to fifty knots; and just what you need to outrun the hunting destroyers; if ever called on to do so for any reason.

And you only need to top up the fuel once every 25 years, and we have 40% of the world's uranium.

Nuclear power also makes passing under the Arctic/Antarctic ice an option if ever needed?

Abbot has made a habit out of making massive mistakes, and this clearly is another, and for no better reason than really dumb domestic politics?

Perhaps he's not satisfied with the loss of Victoria and Q'ld to the other side?
But wants to ruin any chance of picking up S.A., anytime soon?

As for Japan as a self defense ally, there are worse, less reliable less honorable options?

And there is no way we could win any action with the likes of China on our own.

Wear a velvet glove, but carry a big stick! United we stand, divided we fall!

Being stronger via strong alliances may mean we are just not attacked in the first place; even if we're seen as the most desirable jewel in the pacific, with our resources; and vast empty spaces!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 5 February 2015 11:59:11 AM
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plantagenet,

And India in between, perhaps? I think, realistically, that China will get the final say. Will Australia be an ally, or a special administrative region by then
Posted by Gaudium, Thursday, 5 February 2015 11:59:17 AM
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Rhrosty, going by our present fleet, & what else can you go by, if we were to build Nuclear subs in South Australia, they would never need fueling.

The only way such catastrophes would get to the base in WA would be at the end of a tow rope, probably behind a Chinese tug.

Rather than prop SA up with wasted money, & rather than think of fighting China, here is a thought.

Why don't we sell the place to China, If they owned a big, if totally useless bit of the place, they would be unlikely to want to fight us. Besides, that is probably the only way we will get the jobs digging up all that lovely uranium. They would not see it go to waste in the ground.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 5 February 2015 12:15:47 PM
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Hi Gaudium

Actually Japan has tried the same "we'll sell you submarines for an alliance" deal on India. see my article http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/india-may-be-interested-in-buying.html .

At least India, via the British Empire, has effectively been an Australian ally - from 1788-1947. India has never fought us - unlike Japan and China.

Does Australia want to be junior ally to a resurgent Japanese military?

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Hi Rhrosty

Australia BUYING 4 nuclear propelled Vaginas off the US would be lovely if Australia were politically mature enough to do so. No way Australia has the tech - this side of 2 decades - to build nuclear propelled. Probably more like 35 knots max rather than 50.

We have a comprehensive alliance with the US. Australia fights alongside the US for oil. The US offers a nuclear umbrella.

Japan has not explained what its ultimate strategic goals are vis a vis North Korea, Russia and even China.

Does Japan want to complete its nuclear weapons cycle?

Does Australia want to join in a confrontation with China over some allegedly Japanese oil islands?

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Hi Hasbeen

I agree that a whole submarine build can't go on in South Australia. But it is economically destructive and probably political suicide for Abbott not to organise the build of some sections - probably at Williamstown Victoria?

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 February 2015 1:11:41 PM
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Pete

'Australia BUYING 4 nuclear propelled Vaginas off the US...'

You know ... men incessantly complain about feminism being unduly critical of men's enduring propensity to sexually objectify women and see women merely in terms of their f*kability.

What a pity that disgusting comments like this give those awful feminists SOOOO much ammunition.

And to logically extend your grubby adolescent analogy ... given the shape and movement of submarines, nuclear or otherwise, aren't you using the wrong gender anatomy?
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 5 February 2015 10:42:47 PM
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