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Mr Obama: Tear down that wall! (Open the borders and share the chaos) : Comments
By Barry York, published 26/11/2014The elephant-in-the-room in all current discussions of immigration is the question of 'open borders'.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 11:41:40 AM
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I wonder how much less unemployment & misery of native born Americans there would be, if there were not 12 million illegal immigrants taking their jobs.
Isn't it so like lefties to want to give away that that is not theirs. Our heritage is not the toy of some lefty ratbag. It is ours, not theirs. Obama is merely taking a step to increasing the lefty vote. The objective is to ultimately import left voters. There can be no advantage to any American citizen of not deporting these gate crashers. It is the same here. Labor are soft on Muslim criminal activity, & general antisocial behaviour, as they want & get the Muslim vote. Disgusting that these lefties want to throw away all our fathers fought for, just to buy a few lousy votes. Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 11:58:35 AM
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Rhrosty,
We'll have to wait and see how many Mexicans take up Obama's offer, if going above ground means they have to pay income tax then the numbers aren't going to be anything like 4-5 million. The unions are also going to have a field day with all these new potential recruits so if the uptake of amnesty is high it could actually cause a wage breakout and inflation if employers are required to pay union scale, payroll tax, insurance etc on their previously low paid underground workforce. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:37:06 PM
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Ah, the joy of unreconstructed Marxism. If Marx was right in 1848 that :
“National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible…” Then wouldn’t we have expected them to have disappeared by now? I suspect open border policies work best between countries with similar levels of economic development, similar welfare systems and, perhaps, similar cultures. None of the anti-immigration spruikers we hear in Australia objects to the free movement of New Zealanders into Australia and vice versa. In the UK, one of the reasons popular sentiment against free movement of EU citizens has grown is so-called “welfare tourism”, where people move from poorer EU countries to take advantage of the UK’s relatively generous social welfare systems. The government is now considering limiting the entitlement of non-British citizens to social benefits. In fact, there is evidence that the extent of popular resentment against immigration may be directly and inversely related to the generosity of the social welfare net, which may be why Australians are much more concerned about illegal immigration than Americans, even though the USA has far more of them. http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/onairhighlights/new-study-compares-us-australian-attitudes-to-migrants For free-marketeers like me the answer is easy – let people come as long as they support themselves. But for Lefties like Barrie this is a dilemma – people will either welcome poor migrants, or be generous to them, but not both. Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 4:07:09 PM
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'Morning Barry,
So glad you mentioned the EU. How is social destruction going over there? Sometimes the consequences of left wing stupidity just can't be fixed. Your article almost gloats at the lack of options available to nations that followed the weak border polices. I guess the 1200 or so boat people who tragically drowned trying to get to Australia are just collateral damage to progressives. Shame on you, or has hypocrisy replaced shame. Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 4:21:06 PM
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A while back, Saudi Arabia deported some woman back to Somalia. People were outraged: "How could you do such a thing!", they said, "Don't you know Somali is dangerous?"
The Saudis replied: "Somalia is dangerous because it is full of Somalis." Remember when everyone thought it would be a great idea to import eastern europeans to work on the Snowy Mountains scheme? Remember the death toll? You want to know what caused it? We accepted immigrants from Serbia and Croatia, and the wogs were outright murdering each other. God help a Serb on his own on top of a dam when a pack of Croats rounded the corner - and vice-versa. It's not about race. It's about culture. And language. You cannot take a man from war-torn or tribal areas, drop him into a modern, peaceful, industrialised nation with a language he does not know, and expect him to behave like a law-abiding citizen. But this situation is ideal for multinationals. Take cheap labour from X, import them to a place with good infrastructure, and the people who live there will bend over backwards to help you keep the X'es in a secure compound. Slaves, effectively. Amoral moneymaking interests all around the world salivate at the phrase "open borders". Posted by PaulMurrayCbr, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 4:24:55 PM
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Which would then allow, their American born offspring to claim their birthright, or citizenship!
And if that means a few obscenely wealthy Americans have to finally pay the going rate; not before time!
I mean, come on! They can stay if we can continue to exploit them, and then deport them; along with their then useless social security stamps, when they've arrived at their use by date! Yes?
Not only does the Author go the patent verbal, but that self evident verbal is just the most downright disingenuous mendacity, and risible rubbish/verbal vomit, I've forced myself to read!
The only outstanding feature that allowed the Nazis to commit all their many atrocities and or mass murder; was the complete lack of normal human empathy; none of which is on display, in any part of this verbal/horse manure!?
Rhrosty.