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Is ecological civilization possible in the modern world? : Comments

By Evaggelos Vallianatos, published 24/11/2014

Ecology must signify the absence of pollution. Start this transition by rethinking industrialized agriculture.

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Well said! All the research shows that to feed ourselves we cannot use the huge monocrop global farms that are designed to create corporate profit. We need local, adaptable, regenerative farms that grow healthy food for people.

Industrial agriculture, whether Ancient Roman or 21st century, causes disease, collapse and is based on slavery. Farmers and farm workers often eke out a subsistence life while agribusiness giants like Cargill boast record profits and consumers can't afford food. This is what happened in the 2008 food crisis.

I totally agree that we are not living in a rational, scientific or democratic world but that "...medieval and feudal institutions of power are still alive and well. Companies wearing the clothes of economics and science are the new monarchs of governments and societies."
Posted by lillian, Monday, 24 November 2014 9:48:00 AM
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Pollution is bad. Agreed. However, in labelling CO2 a pollutant is 'unscientific', as ascribed by the US E.P.A.. CO2 at 1300 ppm. In the atmosphere would be outstandingly beneficial to the global ecosystem.
Posted by Prompete, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:05:55 AM
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This article/bio reveals a type example of the modern parasite and obstacle to humanity - an eco-nitwit given Government power to enforce ideology and prejudice.

Your attempt to misappropriate the word 'ecology' from its holistic conventional meaning to use it as a pin-up for an impossible standard of ideologically pure air water and soil, is badly misconceived and will create harms to the real environment.

The atom bomb is a GOOD example of technology. Its only use in war saved the lives of perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 a million Allied soldiers and countless Japanese and civilians by averting a contested invasion to finish the Japanese war. Its use as a deterrent prevented open war between the evil empires of the USSR and the PRC against the Western nations of NATO and the rest of the free world.

Overall, the rhetoric in this article is just foolish hyperbole. Its time rational people dismissed eco-twaddle with extreme prejudice, and just got on with living.
Posted by ChrisPer, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:54:22 AM
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This piece of pixie dust tells us what is most wrong with the USA.

They let in clowns like this Greek, educate them, then take them into the Environmental Protection Agency, where the beaver away trying to destroy that culture that took them in, educated them, & now supports them.

The USA is far too generous with these clowns for it's own good. They are destroying the foundations of the country, burrowing away unseen in the dark, digging a hole the country may never be able to climb out of.

I wonder why Graham publishes so much of this crap? I assume it is so we bunnies out here in the sunlight, can get some idea & perhaps warning, of the destructive forces unseen beneath our feet.

People like this are probably the most dangerous to us. Much more dangerous than Islamic Jihadists, who only want to kill some of us, not destroy the future for the whole human civilisation.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 24 November 2014 12:59:49 PM
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Lillian. "All the research shows that to feed ourselves we cannot use the huge monocrop global farms". Could you possibly provide a link to support this statement please?
ChrisPer: "an eco-nitwit given Government power". Frighteningly accurate observation sir.
Hasbeen. I do agree that these "Eco-nitwits" (ht. Chris) are indeed more dangerous than IS and their brethren. It is possible to readily identify and neutralise them, as opposed to those buried within the beaurocratic machine with the power to make regulations bypassing the electorate. "Pixie dust".... Brilliant.

I commend Graham for publishing this article, it is an outstanding example of free speech. Unlike 'The Drum', New Matilda' and the ABC. Hasbeen, apart from the frustrated gnashing of teeth I hear in your comment, you must be amused by the doom fairy floss persistency of these deniers surely?
Posted by Prompete, Monday, 24 November 2014 3:31:49 PM
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Agree mostly with Chris per.
It's okay to take a holiday in a dream castle in the clouds, but never ever to move in as a permanent resident!

There's another Greek example I'd like to refer to, and that is modern day Greece, brought to its financial knees, by similarly irrational endless money tree thinking.

In his visit to China he missed the fact that modernity has lifted hundreds of millions out of enduring generational poverty!
And broad scale farming, although inefficient, is feeding millions, who would otherwise starve!

Yes there are things we could do much better, (via cooperative capitalism comrade) but not by allowing Ideologues to rule the roost, or putting the inmates in charge of the asylum. (same diff)

Much of the damage done to the reef for example, is that caused by massive storm water runoff!
Much of which along with the reef harming turbidity, could be prevented by the construction of many more dams, and mostly as millions of very small upland ones.

And only prevented as our logical reality, by the moribund minds of we always know best, green Ideologues?

Who as usual, resisted timely calls to assist starving millions in Africa, even as they destroyed whole forests, and turned their humble holdings into a veritable lunar landscape, in their attempts to survive!

Is ecological civilization possible in a modern world?
Yes, but only if we remove the (can't see the forest for the trees) Ideological nitwits preventing just that; or that water, [rather than wild rivers, getting ever wilder], is the basis of all wealth!

Practical people, not pining for the past Ideologues; or witless do-gooders, who invariably do more harm than good!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 24 November 2014 5:32:36 PM
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