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How loud do we have to scream? : Comments

By Kathryn Crosby, published 9/9/2014

We will never stop the flow of asylum seekers, because we will never stop war, persecution, and strife.

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A bit less emotion and a bit more reason please.

The asylum seeker in question did not die because of his status or because he was locked up. The ultimate cause, while yet to be fully investigated, relates to the timeiness and adequacy of his treatment. Did he delay seeking treatment or was the necessary treatment not available in a timely manner? We don't yet know. If the latter changes need to be urgently made.

If we close the offshore detention centres, be prepared for a renewed flow of boat people and more deaths at sea.
Posted by Bren, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 7:58:51 AM
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The author talks about childish behavior of fingers in ears while at the same time basing most of her article around another childish behavior of screaming so loudly those around you hurt.

If recent images I've seen reportedly from Manus are correct then there is clearly a problem with the facilities. On the other hand I doubt Abbott or Morrison has been kicking the walls out of the toilets in the center, a lack of cleaning etc might be something those in detention could do something about.

Detention is not my preferred solution, I think we could do better but those screaming most fervently against detention don't seem to be offering a willingness to cooperate with anything other than let them come.

No support for TPV's, no support for checks to try and reduce the downsides for those already here of accepting those fleeing a losing battle whilst clinging to the beliefs and cultural traits that created the very thing they fled.

So rather than scream how about some constructive suggestions for alternatives other than detention.

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Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 8:29:15 AM
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Regrettably what you say is fairly correct.
We will never stop wars and strife.
The major reason is that there are just too many humans.
We shall never stop this virus like population increase so there will always be conflict because of competition over land, water, religion and language.
We have passed the point of no return.
We are breeding, and eating ourselves out of house and home.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 9:11:25 AM
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Please do not be ashamed to be an Australian. This is a free country so you can leave anytime you like and go to some other country more to your liking and where you can be proud.
The fact is we do take refugees but now we are making it hard for lazy and horrible people to come here for our Centrelink and our freedom. These same people will then want Australia to change into the same rubbish place they left. That is another problem.
We need people who will contribute something not just leach off the rest of us and this will preclude the current batch of fraudsters.
Kathy you just do not get it! The vast majority do not want these bludgers in fact half the population want no immigration whereas the other half are happy to accept immigration. It is difficult, so go and have a Bex and a lie down and leave complicated things to us adults.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:01:09 AM
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u could probrably scream at Rudd/Gillard for encouraging people to come here illegally. You could also scream loudly for the huge numbers of assylum seekers who are waiting to come here legally rather than ripping up papers in order to beat the system. If we had any guts we would also deport supporters of Hamas and Isis and allow people with far more noble intentions here.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:19:03 AM
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Kathryn - a basic point seems to have completely escaped you. We have not stopped taking refugees. We have just stopped taking them if they arrive by boat. The number we take is exactly the same either way. Nothing has changed. You are simply seeing those who arrive by boat and not seeing the many thousands more in refugee camps who were being denied places because of the ones who came by boat.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:54:05 AM
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