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Israel's dissenting voices get lost in the war echo chamber : Comments

By Neve Gordon, published 16/7/2014

Israeli politicians across the political spectrum appear to support the attack on Gaza.

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Its always disheartening to read that feelings of righteous punishment and vengeance are shared across almost all of Israel's political spectrum.

Like in many (most?) countries to be a dissenter on war issues is treated by too many as tantamount to treason.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 10:57:50 AM
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Hamas feeds on the misery and anger of Palestinians. When Israel adds to that anger and suffering, it makes its own long-term security more precarious, not less.

Israel’s increasingly brutal and hard-line stance is also alienating the international community, including friends it can ill-afford to lose.

I support a two-state solution, but for that to work Israel has to accept, and work to create, the circumstances in which a viable and sustainable Palestinian state can emerge that is not committed to Israel’s destruction. The current unstable equilibrium will not last forever. Any realistic outcome I can imagine other than a two-state solution will be much worse for Israelis (including Palestinian Israelis).
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 1:31:09 PM
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WE SEEN THE SAME LIES AGAIN AND AGAIN
LETS BE CLEAR/while..you/pid-to blog..blog away here about the fears and 'dangers

The image/here shows the joke
reveals all ya beat ups as faLSE AS THE HOLLOWCAUSET[AND ANNE FRANK]
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/07/14/world/middleeast/14open_sderot1/14open_sderot1-master1050.jpg

..of the Israeli spectators was taken after 9 p.m. local time on Wednesday, the reporter said, about the same time that what was intended to be a “precision strike” from Israel’s military killed at least eight of their Palestinian neighbors,
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world/middleeast/missile-at-beachside-gaza-cafe-finds-patrons-poised-for-world-cup.html

seated in similar plastic chairs at a beachside cafe in Gaza, waiting to watch the World Cup semifinal between Argentina and the Netherlands.
http://twitter.com/yousefmunayyer/status/487344316793507840

As his image reverberated around the social network, where it was shared more than 10,000 times, the reporter was surprised by the response. It was, he said in a telephone interview from Israel, “nothing new.” Similar scenes, of Israeli spectators gathered on the high ground above Gaza to view the destruction below, were documented in a Times of London article
http://www.miftah.org/display.cfm?DocId=18589&CategoryId=5

and a video report from Denmark’s TV2 during Operation Cast Lead in 2009.

This is what a palistein rocket does

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0AEWa-hDXdY-hSxMZlbeavuXVN0UvFdxkq0Ow9wTECHL-84px7VjQfQ

AT BEST A HOLE[arround TWO FOOT ROUND/INTO the ground A FOOT DEEP

here is what ARROND A HUNDRED OF THEM LOOK LIKE..[USED]
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgM7uw6bL0AIaFnxmFtBl5L_dhu_tu7olXAzjohnne6jNWG_CA7XBApGI

as you can see they are mostly intact/plus some intresting POINTS TO NOTE/BUT FIRST NOTE THIs..these are the leFT OVERS OF 'REAL ROCKETS

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzY8ff7Ry_9eiq6-oaK8Hy9Uf6Y0nDRRkyUwlHzmWtAr2tpttsNxmm9FnO

petty fragmENTS/THAT SPRAY DEATH ALL ROUND

SO LETS NOTE the 'rockets'
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNljX7hzBtCZA0S7u_Ve6RikqdjW23wHls7kkSWZB06HmZDaEe1s47Aco

see how the metal//rIPS BUT NOT SEPPERATES[IT DOSNT Shater like the real bombs israel explodes into heaveY MUTAGENE PARTICULATE

LOOK AGAIN at the pictures
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpcVM49Fw3oA0Vbpdk3KRxpq0E1dobeNaEe5fgSW0P53qT0bzIY0F39RM

ONE LUMP OR HUNDREDS OF SHARDS

ITS not the same thing

punish the guilty

iM TELLING YOU THIS IS A WAR BETWEEn satanic aNTI GOD FORCES AGAINST THE UNITY OF THE nations of god

THIS
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjde1yv1FhmGFDowi4zHXSDskYQYbOPpqJePCKYhfoTRUF7zP9EZFT_SU

CANNOT COME by these
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqTD87k-G_Yv-cwFHT2zusH5pD886P2XDowN30XOt8fdN1bsnx9zwnCwY

STOP LYiNG..please

one OF THESE
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf4W618jUo6NYQryomTjd1N86ItBGMP9M7xDSzUNzZUHQTZ8zH3s9I0LKa

destroyes more THAN ALL OF THESE

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyvxejVGxtB79qII486h9Efnba8U8DnIA6ayJLig1_pV_IUSR_W6nfpjiv

http://youtu.be/Tjw8U0AcH4Q
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 2:37:36 PM
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Those who criticise Israel's actions are eith fooled or willing dupes of disinformation.

The entire Palestinian refugee situation was created deliberately by the Arab states that lost their genocidal wars against the newly created state of Israel. To this day, Hamas commits crimes agaisnt humanity by making their civilians into human shields.

I am proud of the Palestinian neighbours that have migrated out, including to Australia, so their children have a chance at a decent life instead of being shortlived hostages to the insane murder cults of Gaza and the West Bank.

If those people had declared peace at any time since 1948, they might have a peaceful life, economic equality and even political equality. Instead we know they have been killed by the PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas and the other gangsters and killers. My hairdresser is Palestinian, said his brother was killed by no, not the Israelis - the Iranians
Posted by ChrisPer, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 2:47:18 PM
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chHRSPR..plea$e note

The Worst Trolls On The Internet Are The Government Trolls
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-worst-trolls-on-the-internet-are-the-government-trolls/

We have all run into them. All over the Internet, there are horrible trolls that seem to delight in making life miserable for other people. But the worst trolls of all are the government trolls. And thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have some startling new evidence of what really goes on behind the scenes.

According to newly revealed documents, mossad spy agency is manipulating online discussions, infiltrating the computers of specific targets, purposely destroying reputations, altering the results of online polls, and using Twitter, Facebook and YouTube for propaganda and espionage purposes.

If people don’t start getting outraged about this now, the governments of the western world are going to see it as a green light to do even more. Eventually, it might get so bad that we won’t be able to trust much of anything that we see on the Internet.

WHY I HEAR YOU ASK?
it seems theIR SICK OF DYING IN FUTIle war
Gaza: Israeli commandos ‘running like chickens’

Gaza: Israeli commandos ‘running like chickens’
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/07/15/gaza-israeli-commandos-running-like-chickens/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29

Israel has suffered her first defeat in a ground conflict since here ill-fated foray into Lebanon in 2006.

Israel reports that 13 Naval Commandos landed on a beach in Northern Gaza to “take out” a Hamas long-range missile battery. Israel’s own reporting is that they suffered four wounded and that two Palestinians died in the attack.

Israel has suffered her first defeat in a ground conflict since here ill-fated foray into Lebanon in 2006.

Israel reports that 13 Naval Commandos landed on a beach in Northern Gaza to “take out” a Hamas long-range missile battery. Israel’s own reporting is that they suffered four wounded and that two Palestinians died in the attack.

BUT I KNOW..POOR YOU..SECULAR JEW DYING FOR RELIGIOUS EXTREEMISTS[WHO DONT FIGHT;;RIGHT>?]
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/uk-policy-supporting-syrian-rebels-against-bashar-al-assad-stupid

WE WENT through the same myth buildING PAT-ROT-IMs
kids dont die for ideals anymore/.they much rather eat drink and paRTY

TIMES UP OLD FOGGIE
MOOve over//THE LOVE CHILDREN are back
do ya worst

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/soyouwantawar.php
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 3:13:25 PM
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plantagenet :

"...righteous punishment and vengeance are shared across almost all of Israel's political spectrum"

Is it punishment and vengeance to try and stop a continuous barrage of rockets raining down on your citizens? Can you please explain what measures other, less vengeful countries would have taken to stop a ruthless, uncompromising neighbour, openly committed to their destruction, from firing rockets at them?

Rhian:

"Israel's increasingly brutal and hard-line stance..."

I think you might be confusing Israel with Hamas. Can you expand on this alleged brutality? Is it the ample warning they give Gaza civilians before military operations? Is it the aborted air-force strikes when civilians are in danger? Is it the acceptance of a cease fire when it is rejected by the other side?

one under god:

I never understood your posts and this one is no different.
Posted by Avw, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 8:51:42 PM
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