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Re Turnbull: we’re more comfortable toppling leaders than policies : Comments

By Sheenal Singh, published 5/6/2014

In the minds of Abbott's worst critics, Turnbull represents a moderate panacea to the problem of popular and palatable governance.

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Malcolm Turnbull is an ex-banker. He will give us the same old pine apple with a bit of snake oil to sooth the pain.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 5 June 2014 7:46:53 AM
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the masters..of/these\'satans'-worlds..have only..one grand plan
to get..a global carbon credit market/..\]that turnull will do*
as soon as he kicks..the denier out..[

but mr turncoat-banker carbon credit/delivery..timed
internet/timed telecommunications..[power/priced..by peak-time*..banker/inventor..mal-con/turncoat

scape-goat/when they will kill tony..the new world order is revealed[install bankers..into govt/globally]..then tax weightless gas by the ton/by fear/spin\lies..and,,accounting-trickery

get informed
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16377#285279

please note too..we still got..the carbon tax*
only tony..stands between us and them..[they will*kill tony*]
the most popular pm..for decades/who fell from grace/by treasury malfeasance/read the turncoat/hockey stick..the kraut..and that treasury dude[all new world order/capitalist builderer bergers..wanting their newest..'sin'-tax

see how..the fat dude..picked on tonies adviser?..after talking to the NEW WORLDS ORDER$$..turncoat'$$?

THEY JUST DONT/WANT THE TAX GONE..[clive]
THEY PREFER..TO GET RID..OF THE ABBOT...[keep/the tax..or die]

OK..you/DONT LIKE..THE BUDGET..[BY DESIGN].. thenHATE HOCKEY WHO BRUNG IT..judge/who set up the slush fund/hoping tony will take it.
just so...they can keep doubling..the price of power[and the global/new money]only/they..will control/..price[carbon-credit/debit/deaf-i-set*.]

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/no-warming-for-18-years-has-convinced-climate-experts-that-co2-is-even-more-dangerous-than-before/
quote..<<>.As our nation's leaders squabble>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jdT2rc-6M

if its was indisputable..there would be no debate
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/more-than-40-of-ushcn-station-data-is-fabricated/
but..ITS JUST CREATIVE ACCOUNTING..and agenda-rule/by fearmongering.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/war-terrorism-one-fine-scam/
what really peeves me..is the cure is tax us..[great business model]

<<>.Yes, investing in a transition>>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/1/pentagon-wrestles-with-false-climate-predictions-a/
im not investing im paying for your freelunch as the enron cash grab goes global..[the polution of your aburd commerce..is criminaly treasonous/plus its not working..plus its lies upon lies

<<..on..initial estimates,>>

>>and not nearly as high as the future costs>>

yeah we get that/its \going to cost us more/more/more[for ever more
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

<<..caused by delaying the introduction of carbon reducing policies>>
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
if only we had listened to wise leaders not ignorant children
and enron-advizers to get a new business model based on doubluing the price of cheap power/to set up scams that give huge users[abusers]..carbon credits..
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-destroyer-of-fake-recoveries-unintended-consequences/
[its criminal treason/if your getting advantage girly..its insider trading...BUT THE PLAN-MAKER SHOULD BE IN JAIL/

BUT HERE IS WHERE YOUR MASTERS..began their crimes..[enron evidence was in building 7..nice get out of jail free card eh

http://www.awakenyourkids.com/shop.php#!/~/product/category=5653200&id=36978064

here is how the scum[your masters]..lord it over
the ignorant dumbed down..children..[usefull*idiots=u]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-laundering-who-is-ukraines-president-petro-poroshenko/5384213

THIS IS HOW..THEY THINK OF YOU..ONCE YA STOP BEING 'CUTE'
[READ stop being..the USEFUL/IDIOT$$]
http://intellihub.com/pentagon-planning-zombie-apocalypse-style-viral-outbreak/
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 June 2014 9:07:17 AM
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Yes, voters are mistaken if they assume that a change of PM would make any significant difference to the Coalition's neo-liberal policies. Turnbull is a minister in Abbott's government--judge people by the company they keep.
Posted by mac, Thursday, 5 June 2014 9:46:20 AM
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The only problem with Malcolm (return bill) Turnbull, is in the patently paranoid minds of commentators like Andrew Bolt or Alan Jones?
Who are the only ones throwing bombs at the liberal coalition?
The most cohesive and united Government, since federation!
Ha ha ha ha ha choke gasp, he he he choke gasp, ho ho ho ho!
Oh my aching ribs!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 5 June 2014 10:47:51 AM
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LOOKS LIKE THE HARD PRESS IS ON.
http://images.smh.com.au/2014/06/03/5478565/ac-gurria-main-20140603075104862194-620x349.jpg

offer joe a sniff/
yet we know the bank0 wins every time

the idea is avoid the science..[cause it refutes the case]
and make it economic..spesadding the carbon exemptions far and wide

The head of the world's leading economic agency says countries should just put a ''big fat tax'' on carbon dioxide emissions as part of the race to stop climate change.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barack-obamas-climate-change-moves-put-heat-on-tony-abbott-20140602-39f0s.html http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-fat-tax-best-way-to-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions-says-oecd-secretarygeneral-angel-gurria-20140603-39fa9.html?rand=1401746198507

then as soon as the tax component is installed hyperinflation[once the deal is done]..A DEAD DUCK/LYING PRESIDENT..NEEDS A WIN[EVERYTHING HE HAS TRIED/WAS DONR BADLY OR WORSE..everything the dude toughes turned to merde...now he has decreed c02 a polutant..by fiat*..BUT WHAT ELSE CAN THE FALSE PRINCESS OF PIECES DO?

DO AS YA TOLD BARRY
http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle1.m3u

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-fat-tax-best-way-to-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions-says-oecd-secretarygeneral-angel-gurria-20140603-39fa9.html#ixzz33ipXjnyR

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barack-obamas-climate-change-moves-put-heat-on-tony-abbott-20140602-39f0s.html http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-fat-tax-best-way-to-reduce-greenhouse-gas-emissions-says-oecd-secretarygeneral-angel-gurria-20140603-39fa9.html?rand=1401746198507IS ON
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 June 2014 11:05:09 AM
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Turnbull has been ahead of Abbott as preferred leader since well before the election. I think research has shown that we prefer leaders who talk intelligently, not in idiotic sound bites and mindlessly repeated slogans, which is why Rudd rated much higher than his performance as Prime Minister warranted. Tony Abbott persists in addressing us at primary school level, which can be interpreted in two ways: either he is stupid, or he thinks we are. Neither makes him attractive as Prime Minister.
Posted by Candide, Thursday, 5 June 2014 11:21:54 AM
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remember how popular Rudd was and yet was unable to stop the knife in his back after one term. Abbott has seen off Turnbull,Rudd, Gillard and Rudd. Not bad for someone who his haters called unelectable. One could argue that his opposition has been very very poor. Then again now it is flip flop flip flop Mr Shorten. Another Labour/union stooge.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 5 June 2014 11:38:50 AM
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A good lucid article.

Turnbull as Lady in Waiting since 2009 will not wait forever when he has so many other career options. When Abbott weakens he'll pounce.

Turnbull wants power but doing something positive when he gets it is something else.

It need only be recalled that, when Leader of the Opposition, Turnbull nurtured Godwin Grech towards self-destruction or when Water Minister in the Howard Government Turnbull said all but achieved nothing.

Turnbull sorely wants to be PM but really wants to be Australia's first President (once the Queen goes).
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:03:34 PM
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If Malcolm Turnbull is re-elected leader, it would not surprise to see his Leftist policies come to the fore -- in fact, he would not be out of place performing as a member of Labor or even the Greens.

Despite the ABC flouting the impartiality provisions in its charter ( e.g. it has a closed mind on anthropogenic climate change (AGW) , closing out any views that question AGW; it is consistently Left-biased in political reporting; it is closely allied with the gay lobby in promoting gay marriage), Malcolm, as the responsible minister, behaves as though he is a member of Friends of the ABC.

Given the annual generous $1.3 billion government handout to the ABC, at the very least he should be calling for a total review of the ABC , as some thirty years have elapsed since the last review -- during which time the Australian broadcasting scene has changed enormously, such that there is no longer any market niche in which the ABC is the sole provider.
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:05:25 PM
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Yes Raycom

Your fear of the vile Communist ABC, to the left of North Korea, is well shaken, not stirred.

And Turnbull is its Kommissar.

Beware - we should fear the ABC Red Square.

And bring back McCarthyism I hope.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:17:09 PM
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'Your fear of the vile Communist ABC, to the left of North Korea, is well shaken, not stirred. '

actually plantagenet I doubt it is fear just sickened by the lies and propganda funded by the tax payer. I wonder what percentage of the warmist religion supporters and perverted marriage brigade are on the public purse. A high percentage I suspect.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:39:18 PM
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Hi runner and Rayman

For those with fewer brain cells than a box of Smarties the ABC threatens comprehension.

I can therefore understand your fears of the happy and gay diversity that the ABC brings.

Commercial TV is Conservative and Safe like the Church.

For some - endless commercials spruiking Hungry Jacks, Sports Betting and Australia's foreign built autos, provide time for the brain-cells to catch up.

Like Public Health in America a Public Broadcaster smacks of Communism.

Therefore low taxed Commercial TV or Pay-TV, all cross-subsidized by your Income Tax, should be the only "Choice".

Cheers
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 June 2014 1:25:11 PM
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“warmist religion supporters”
Religion is based on beliefs on the other hand climate science is based on facts.
Religion has a dismal record when confronted by science I recall that it was only in the 1960s that the Pope conceded that earth orbited the sun.

I doubt the liberals realize it yet but Abbott chances of being reelected are almost zero. Anything he says come the next election will be not be believed. Abbott has trashed his reputation as far as the majority of Australian voters are concerned. No amount of spin will alter that perception.

I don’t see them changing to Turnbill this early in the new term of this government but if it does not happen fairly soon the liberals will probably have cooked their goose.
Posted by warmair, Thursday, 5 June 2014 1:28:33 PM
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'I doubt the liberals realize it yet but Abbott chances of being reelected are almost zero. '

yea warmair I suspect you along with the other Abbott haters were among those who said he was unelectable three years ago. Have not eaten enough humble pie yet?
Posted by runner, Thursday, 5 June 2014 1:52:30 PM
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Damn Our commietariat are at it again.

It is only the labor dromes who sack their PMs. Liberal/National PMs have to show the guts to face the voters. And are expected to do so. Lib Nat Premiers have the decency to resign

Since 1972 ie in the last 40 years

Whitlam ... sacked.
Hawke...dumped
Keating ... landslide
Rudd ... dumped
Gillard... dumped

Fraser voted out
Howard voted out

QLD
Bjelke Petersen... dumped
Beattie ... dumped
Bligh ... landslide

Vic
Baillieu... resigned

Nsw
O'Farrell...resigned
Iemma...dumped
The one before Kenneally ... dumped.

It is not all politicians people have become accustomed to dumping their leaders when in power. It is lefty drones people have become accustomed to dumping their mates.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 5 June 2014 1:54:21 PM
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I find it very interesting to compare Turnbull & Obama.

Both are successful orators, as was Hitler.

Both are too dumb or too crooked to see through the global warming scam. Neither are bright enough to understand what is needed in their countries for the good of the majority. It is reasonable to believe they don't care about the majority in either country.

It says a lot about the US & OZ that both people can fall for the glib tongue, but can not see intelligence when right in their faces.

Enough to say the coalition would never win an election with Turnbull as leader, too many thinking people can see he is but a talking empty vessel.

There must still be some smart people in Labor. They can see what a fool Turnbull is, & how he would damage the Libs. That is obviously why they are promoting him.

What a bloody pity those smart people in Labor don't use their brains for the good of Oz, rather than to get a bunch of dills elected to parliament.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 5 June 2014 2:51:19 PM
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Quote Runner
“yea warmair I suspect you along with the other Abbott haters were among those who said he was unelectable three years ago. Have not eaten enough humble pie yet?”

The problem is I never thought Abbott was unelectable it is only now that he has lost all credibility that I think he has no hope of winning the next election. I am not that fussed which party wins government as long as they lead the country with some competence and show some respect for the electorate. The last government we had that meet that criteria in my view was the Howard government until they lost the plot with work choices.
Posted by warmair, Thursday, 5 June 2014 8:02:02 PM
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here-are..mANY LEVELS/OF CORRUPTION
http://xml.nfowars.net/Alex.rss
TO COVER/JUST ONE..[THE BUILDERBERGERS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwWqiY0Uy3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z4u3OUllA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdp6hiIghc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axre0PxX3Gw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKagXFsXtUo#t=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOrJaMBbQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B1PX1XeZ_s

ANYHOW..SO WHAT
http://xrepublic.tv/node/9189
WITHOUT..THE ROT../WHOT*CHA GOT.
Intended consequences:..A)..transfer wealth...[from savers/who once earned..substantial interest..on their savings]..to the banks,..which can borrow CREDIT..for near-zero.

THEN/LOBBY-/govt..and loan ..it out\..via fractional-reserve/leveraging..tenfold[ie create/10-times..more]..out/of..nuthing..but the cash..we gave/them..

then lending/this...'new'...paper/CYBER-CREDIT].to businesses..and consumers..at..fat-spreads,..reaping billions of dollars..IN INTEREST....[EXTRA..that once flowed to/savers.]..but/now..become..huge bonus...INSIDER-TRAITORS/Flash-tradING/COMPUTER CREDITS\carbon-credits..to..max..market can bare.

B)..By making cash..into trash..[and..credit/from..thin air
[fiat paper]..(i.e...it earns..no interest,.effectively losing value MINIMUM..

[In a 2%..inflation environment),..the[bankers-Fed..intended\to push everyone with cash..and/or credit..to put their money..into/high-risk assets such as stocks and real-estate...creating..ARTIFICIAL*..scarcity thus boom-bubble/scarcity..BONUS.[Reaping/others\harvest].

Read..more/at http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-destroyer-of-fake-recoveries-unintended-consequences/#B0j4oWY4F6deoKzZ.99

Unintended/consequences:..A)..Now that..*everyone..*[compulsory-siper]....has been pushed/into stock pyramid-sceme/s and..real estate,.valuations..are once again.,,at bubble heights–and bubbles..always pop,..

but/that's..the good/news..destroying\every participant...who has been lulled..into believing these/bubble's..will never pop..because “the Fed\has\..my back.”[we/want..real-hovt\created/money/back.

B)..By allowing..'market-forces'..mark-to-fantasy valuations..of collateral,..the Fed hasn’t..cleared..the credit system..of impaired debt:..it has enabled..an expansion of bad debt..and eroded the fundamental..credibility..[backbone..of the system...savers]

C)..By enabling/the wealthiest slice of..duel-passort/holding-multinational/ngo-s[autocrats/elites..and their multinational-entities]..to borrow..essentially limitless sums..for free,..[below/in-flation]..

the Fed..has fueled/wealth disparity,..as..the super-wealthy'can buy any/assets..for nearly free..with/Fed-created credit,..[outbidding anyone..in the 99.5%.]

D)..In becoming..the buyer..of last resort..for Treasury bonds and home mortgages,..the Fed has destabilized..the bond and mortgage markets..exchaqnge rates..and undermined..[over rated]..the U.S. dollar...As a result,...the Fed has to taper..its buying/BY/MONERY PRINTING/BYING VIA/BRUSSLES...lest it end up owning..the entire short-term Treasury market...[owing itself/untold..quadrillions]YET/HOLDING..ONLY-USE/LESS..PROMISE.

E)..just/By buying $2 trillion..[in mortgage-backed securities,]...the Fed..(in conjunction with Fannie Mae,Freddy Mac and..the Federal/STATE/NGO..INVESTER/COUNCIL-housing agencies;such as FHA)..has essentially socialized..the mortgage market

HUGE/UNPAYABLE DEBTS.FOR GOCT..[for..invester[fed]..landlords]..
virtually all..home mortgages..are now backed..or issued/by the government-PURSE...[to huge..investment/vehicles/owned..by secret trusts..

[less than 5%..of all mortgages..are privately issued]..and..ARE/not guaranteed..or owned by the..QUASI/FORMER\government..INSTRUMENT.[NOW/PRIVATE-BANKERS..EXCLUSIVE-global franchise][AT/INTRST]

all/this=high treason
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

.Destroy the market’s ability..to price assets,..risk
and credit,..and you..take away the essential information..participants need..to make rational,..informed decisions.

By crushing..the market’s ability/to generate..accurate pricing information..to save the Status Quo..from necessary repricing and reforms,..the Fed/PUBLIC-SERVIANTS..

and the Federal/government'S/GLOBALY..have generated enormously destructive,,[FULLY*-intended]..consequences..that will not/repond to..additional/politically expedient fixes..[BUT/PLENTY..OF NEW/SIN-TAXes.

RE-NATIONALISE..ALL PUBLIC..UTILITIES...IMMEDIATLY.

All the other/..central planning fixes
around the world..share..the same fatal..flaw...austerity/to loot\pillage..public assets[high treason]/plus..debasement..of\hrh-coin.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 6 June 2014 8:02:34 AM
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A number of posters are rightly critical of Abbott's performance.
One major factor in any kind of information, or 'selling', is the credibilty of the salesman.
You can wax on as much as you like about policies and their soundness, but the majority of communication about these is in the media.
That vehicle demands credibility from the spruiker.
That, Abbott does not have.
One poster commented on how he seems to address us as thought we were schoolchildren, and this is one of his problems.
He's living in the communications past where a few words from the mighty one would be sufficient to re-assure the masses.
We don't want snake oil - we want sincerity.
Posted by Ponder, Friday, 6 June 2014 8:59:08 AM
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Yeah of course. We need the sincerity of Rudd Gillard Shorten and Labour.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 8 June 2014 1:02:00 AM
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