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Preaching in the 'absence' of God : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 22/4/2014

But this is by no means the sum of it. As Nietzsche's Parable of the Madman indicates, the modern age is one in which God dies at our own hands.

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If God is all powerful, and everywhere present, as is alleged in virtually all religious teaching?
How can any one preach in his absence?
That said, many do preach as if they had the power to speak for God, and indeed, judge all others as if they were God? Usually a self conferred power, into the bargain?
That said, the new testament, with its message of unconditional love for our fellow man, is completely at odds with the old testament, and a jealous God. who seems to want to inculcate fear, just to get obedience to his iron will.
Another odd contradiction, and at complete odds with the message of unconditional love in the new testament!
And at complete odds, with the preaching of some, with various hate-filled messages, like only normal heterosexuals, are free to worship, get married, or raise a family, or just express normal physical affection!
Were a gentle kind and loving Jesus to walk among us today, with his patent preference for almost exclusive male company, and male bonding?
Many of today's most vociferous, so called religious preachers, would not only label him a homosexual, but completely ostracize him as well?
All while still claiming him as the literal embodiment of God?
The real Godless preachers, are those who use the faith of others, to inculcate and impose, their own messages of unrequited hate, or indeed, blind obedience to it's inherent message?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 11:37:06 AM
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How boring. Not a smidgen of inspiration to be found here.

Christians are of course by self-definition sinners, which is to say that contrary to all of the self-serving babble/babel about their "creator-"God", the Bible, and Jesus they are 100 percent godless.
As godless sinners everything they say and do is inevitably an extension of their sinfulness.
But is "sin" our always already prior condition? Or have we been sold propagandized a toxic message for countless centuries?
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/dreadedgomboo/chapter1.html

Where does the Teaching of Truth really come from? This essay describes the situation.
http://www.dabase.org/up-4-1.htm
This essay describes the dismal reductionism that mis-informs ALL Christian preaching. Reductionism because there is not even a smidgen of an iota of any kind of ESOTERIC understanding to be found in any of the usual Christian babble/babel. This essay describes the situation.
http://www.dabase.org/up-1-1.htm

Furthermore, all of their self-serving "God" ideas are just an extension of mommy and daddy and/or the santa claus good-luck-god.
http://www.adidam.org/teaching/aletheon/god-exists

What did Saint Jesus of Galilee really demonstrate and teach while he was alive?
http://www.aboutadidam.org/articles/secret_identity/beyond_hidden.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 11:49:31 AM
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It seems that it is a prerequisite for modern Christians to misunderstand, and hence misrepresent, atheism. One can only wonder why they feel that this is necessary.

Here's Mr Sellick on the topic.

"It is the tragedy of our times that this impossible God still holds a place in the hearts and minds of Christians both lay and ordained and, of course, in the minds of atheists"

The assumption here is typically arrogant of a particular category of Christian - the "thinking" type - that because atheists deny the existence of God, we must perforce have some sort of image, or idea, or concept of such a thing. Otherwise, how would the Christian God, according to Mr Sellick, "hold a place... in the mind of atheists"?

This is of course utter nonsense. We also hold in our minds an image of the Easter Bunny, without believing such an animal exists. And because the concept "Easter Bunny" is not a static, knowable thing, each of us safely holds an entirely unrelated view. Presumably, this should not hold for the Christian God, as described by Mr Sellick.

The quote from the Reverend Bruce Barber is no more informed.

"we…join with the atheists in claiming that God does not 'exist', in that sense in which philosophical theists and atheists are forever locked in futile dispute."

Christians and atheists disagree in fundamental terms on the existence/non-existence of God. While Christians may wrestle with the philosophy of God's particular nature, atheists are untroubled by such hair-splitting. Only Christians concern themselves with the shape, form, existence, manifestation, temper, even the number of their God. There is, in short, no dispute at all, futile or otherwise, between atheists and Christians.

Except, of course, on its potentially pernicious influence (along with all the other religions) on the minds of young people.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:56:13 PM
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yep the atheist has to shut his eyes everytime he looks at creation in order to block out the obvious. No wonder he/she comes up with such unscientific nonsense endorsed by phd's to explain existance. The fruit of their godless dogma is easily seen by the suicide rates among the young, the drug addiction, the sexual perversion and the total lack of purpose outside of rotton pride. What a great unscientific belief system they espouse.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 4:17:19 PM
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Glad someone mentioned the Easter bunny, It's more believable then rest of the nonsense people sprout
Posted by Aussieboy, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 4:39:39 PM
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What a great unscientific belief system , then names the corrupt Atheist like myself with all of our debauchery etc, please Runner you must include that great bible bashing country the USA whose only thought is to kill, kill & keep killing no matter where, of course this doesn't lead to suicide & drug taking by the public, soldiers, etc. your so called Christians are far worse than any Atheist for all you mention
Gay people are being stoned to death in countries with their Koran beliefs, not only them but many of your christian friends do not believe in same sex marriage and Gay people, this leading to mental problems and suicide, you are to blame Runner not the Atheist.
Posted by Ojnab, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 6:10:00 PM
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