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Saving lives, by redefining death : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 9/10/2013

The Dead Donor Rule impedes the ability to harvest organs by defining death too narrowly, robbing some patients of their wishes to donate viable organs.

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The fact that when life begins has been debated for so long does not mean the issue is resolved. People do not believe many 'expert opinions' about this, and will not condone the behaviour of professionals who think they know better than God. The parents involved here may not be aware, but the floodgates to open after realisation of braindead patients having 'vital organs to spare' is threatening and dangerous. Power in the hands of some is becoming more death conscious than life saving. Whether this course of action is successful, does not make it right. Clinically dead people on life support have woken up.
Posted by Longy, Thursday, 10 October 2013 8:24:28 AM
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When I find a bunch of surgeons donating their time to do the transplant, I will donate the organs for them to do so.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 10 October 2013 12:19:46 PM
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There is no such thing as death.
Hence no need to define something which does not exist.

At one time or another every body becomes permanently dysfunctional - or if the brain becomes permanently dysfunctional first, then even if the rest of the body still functions, we have no contact with it, so we will never be able to use it again.

Nothing else changes when the brain dies: all it means is that we may no longer have contact with our body, hence through it with the world and with others.

If we have clothes that we can no longer use, we often donate them away. Why should bodies be different?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:14:12 PM
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just noting..here
my last two posts..were inspired by your article
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

so thanks
defining death..is important
EVERY DONOR..should be advised..that death..dont mean dead

at least get that bit right..dont let bodies die..in ignorance
the rewards..for giving others life..should enhance the ongoing living of their spirit

do not let donors die..in ignorance..if good give thanks and prayers..back-to..the donor

we are spirits..[energy]..
and science says energy..cant be destroyed
saving lives needs the saving of souls..as a karmic balancing

further reference texts
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

http://auromere.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/memory-transference-in-organ-transplant-recipients/

http://acim.ie/free-will/
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

posted..details..
of a theory..WERE..at off site link
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15136#15136

but that got..immediately censored/shut down..
cause science dont use it..cause they..need to spin..the numbers to meet science peer agenda..and their guilt-free lunch

my opinion..is strip out all dna..infuse tcells over a scaffold
how is t-cell subdued..what affect..do the drugs repress?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 8:14:54 AM
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Jonathan,
A good article.
In the modern enlightened world we still unfortunately suffer from many cultural prejudices. Three relevant are the opposition to absolute personal autonomy, voluntary euthanasia and the mercenary motive.
There is absolutely no rational reason why people should not be able to give or sell their own body parts post or even pre-mortem.
We are not allowed to end our own lives because of the possibility our decision might not be made in full knowledge without undue influence.
The problem with that is that undue influence and full knowledge are elastic terms which only effect a very small percentage of would be applicants anyway. And the chance of those on organ lists who will die without transplant is generally around 100%.

Blame the religious or communitarian fanatics amongst us who believe life is totally sacred, even above the right of autonomy, or those who hate the concept of property and money, but until these bigots are identified for what they are, we are always going to have long donor lists, hand in hand with over flowing hospice wards full of suffering patients grieving that they canít bequeath a parting gift to their loved ones or humanity in general.
Posted by Edward Carson, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 2:15:57 PM
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Edward,

With reference to your points....perhaps if donors or their estates were financially rewarded for their donated organs, maybe then the gulf between supply and demand for organs will narrow.

Another idea is to deem everyone a potential donor without any written consent needed. And those who for their own reasons want to opt out of donating then they should be made to go through the hoops of formalising their opting out.
Posted by Jonathan J. Ariel, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 8:32:26 PM
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