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What do transgenders really need? : Comments

By Roslyn Phillips, published 27/9/2013

It is not true to say gender is a spectrum, a continuum, and the elements of it change through life.

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This is a soundly reasoned position by R Phillips. There is no doubt that gender dysphoria is a deeply distressing psychological condition and in some people may be intractable as far as contemporary therapeutic knowledge is concerned. It is deeply regrettable that the development of psychological therapy in this area has been significantly derailed by the application of a surgical procedure to rectify a psychological condition. This approach was always doomed to failure and was always unethical. It involves the mutilation of a physically healthy person, the destruction of normal healthy organs. In addition the patient is exposed to all of the risks attendant on surgery. Unnecessary surgery is always rejected on ethical and medical grounds except in the case of sexual reassignment. R Philips exposes well the fallacies upon which such surgery has been justified by medical professionals who should know better.
Posted by John I Fleming, Friday, 27 September 2013 8:31:12 AM
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Those who thought they loved someone, thought they were homosexual and are now happily married with children, and now those surgically unsexed who undergo surgery to turn them back! these are reported hundreds of times less than examples that give a platform to the state-market ideology. Who are these people that are so transparent to themselves and their heart's motivations? They're the ones who are a mystery to me.

I can't think of a worse thing to do than keep going in the insane direction of mutilating surgery. We have rational psychology, something like CBT doing great work http://www.conradbaars.com/

The sandy moral 'foundation' that supports the metastisisng superstructure of global money and its political and metaphysical liberalism attacks wherever it can:

-tradition as source of humanising and genuine autonomy 'ready made inheritance of wisdom' outside plutocratic manipulation. http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/
-nature and our correlative human nature as the source of understanding of human flourishing
-Christianity rather than therapeutic 'the Self' religion http://www.iamsecond.com/
-Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophical realism as thought that has been thought through about the world as directly encountered.http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com.au/2009/06/materialist-shell-game.html

Again money will flow to promoting 'trans this and that' and these post-modern groups will eat each other as competing sovereign selves like the lesbian groups accused of 'transphobia'.

They mean to take away language, the body, and moral norms and replace them with the rule of money and power.

Permaculturalists pay attention to nature and design why can't we? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtsrNuUAgE&feature=youtu.be
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Friday, 27 September 2013 9:46:58 AM
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If the author is arguing that there is no genetic cause of homosexuality, then that is probably right?
There does not seem to be a genetic disposition to homosexuality or heterosexuality?
However, it is simply wrong to simply assume that hormones play no part.
We all start life in the womb as female, and owe our apparent sex to the flood of sex altering or sex maintaining hormones, in the first few weeks of our development in the womb.
It is possible that this flood could be overdone or incomplete, because of some physiological fault or flaw in the mother; or, a serious problem in the mother's environment?
Further, our sexual attraction is entirely autonomous and controlled by just four centres at the base of the brain. Two for blokes and two for women.
In a well researched and published case in Scotland, a thrice convicted pedophile was found to be firing on all four.
When the two inappropriate for his gender were burnt out, using tiny electrodes inserted directly into the brain, his aberration not only ceased, but in the space of around 12 months, he reverted to a typical heterosexual male, got married had a couple of kids, and was reportedly, never ever happier!
And there are other examples were a physical injury to the base of the brain has altered the gender bias! With one well reported Alpha male Sydney footballer, suffered a neck injury in a scum, turned gay over a period of around twelve months, and now works as a hairdresser!
Of course many of the fondest theories of theorists are going to be disproved!
That is because they are and remain just theories; or, the proponents have condemned themselves to a lifetime of wasted effort or inconclusive results, as they determinedly think within a fixed circle of ideas? Or dismiss empirical evidence, simply because it is, according to them, empirical?
[Thinking confined by ideological or extremely flawed religious belief?]
And if the ideas are limited, so also are the entire sum of the available conclusions!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 27 September 2013 11:08:25 AM
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What transgenders need is to be believed!
Our sexual orientation is entirely autonomous, and not something we any of us can consciously control or alter!
I mean, I don't have a homosexual bone in my body, and if anyone tried to put one in there. My first and instinctive response, would be to knock their ivories so far down their throat, their posterior parts, would resemble a piano keyboard!
Transgenders also need some serious research by those willing to set aside their indoctrinated medieval or stone age belief systems, and simply search for and find the actual provable truth!
Regardless of how personally unpalatable that may be for them. Or how conflicting that may be, with their personal religious scruples/bias!
If they would do just that much, who knows, we might even find we are able to eventually and actually, permanently cure/alter, so called sexual aberrations?
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 27 September 2013 11:27:27 AM
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We are not talking about ideals here, right? If we were, then schools would teach their students to set aside their sexuality and be celibate, in word thought and deed, directing their energy to a higher purpose. But neither schools nor children and their parents are currently ready for this, especially since no higher alternative is provided and due to the lack of competent teachers who can provide a personal example.

Given that sexuality, in the absence of higher aspirations, seems so important today, that most people truly believe that the fulfilment of their life is in sex, some way or another, then everyone should be able to experiment to their heart's content, experiencing both the pleasure and the pain that result, looking at sexuality from every possible angle until they finally prove to themselves that it is not the answer to their life's quest.

In this quest to find and resolve the root of sexuality, everything goes (so long as no others are hurt in the process)!

Experimentation is second-best only to competent spiritual guidance, so in the absence of the latter, or when no trust is given to it, exploration and experimentation should be fully embraced, sex-change being no exception.

If you manage to learn just this one lesson in life, then your life has not been in vain.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 27 September 2013 12:55:21 PM
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A person can have a dramatic and imposing psychological condition and not be mentally ill, most psychopaths for example are not technically "sick" in a medical sense but they definitely have an abnormal mental state
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 27 September 2013 1:10:11 PM
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