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Imagine government funding science! : Comments

By Rafe Champion, published 18/9/2013

It turned out that the schools of philosophy, the queen of the sciences, were captured during last century of the Second Millenium by waves of anti-intellectual fads and fashions.

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Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 8:12:09 AM
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the evidence is globally we are being dumbed down

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/thousands-of-canadian-scientists-protest-death-of-science-based-policy/70412/
Thousands of scientists gathered in cities across Canada on Monday
to protest the ongoing “muzzling” of the scientific community..by the conservative-led government along with drastic cuts to research funding.

its global
SCIENCE IS BEING DESTROYED!
Governments Conspire To Control Scientist Through Funding
http://xrepublic.tv/node/5375

seems education..isnt leading anyone.."out" of poverty
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/poverty-america-census_n_3940812.html

it might be..related..to thje OVER $102 QUADRILLION DOLLARS
STOLEN BY BANKERS AND POLITICIANS, SEC SLAPS 'MILLION DOLLAR FINES'

http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/enf-actions-fc.shtml

the bond bust
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/the-financial-armageddon-looting-machine-looming-mass-destruction-from-derivatives/70420/

Trillion-Dollar Student Loan Fiasco
to Force Our Next Debt Crisis?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/trillion-dollar-student-loan-fiasco-to-force-our-next-debt-crisis/

no..doubt..drugs is involved
http://www.infowars.com/was-navy-yard-killer-on-anti-depressant-meds/

come to think on it
it might be related to lobby groups
..looking to loot patents
http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2013/09/16/lindseys-plan-for-war-on-iran/

are we in..rome?
http://xrepublic.tv/node/5379

anyhow
who's funding what?
http://enenews.com/senior-scientist-id-be-worried-about-swimming-ocean-hawaii-starting-2015-maher-youre-scaring-radioactive-dangers-japan-will-be-coming-beach-video
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 8:32:50 AM
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the evidence is globally we are being dumbed down
under one god,
And, who is responsible for that ? you guessed it, the scientists. They're the ones who gave society so many things that the average person can now go through life without needing a single ounce of pragmatism. Just look at what Einstein & Gabor predicted. When we have machines to do the thinking for us we become a nation of morons. Where those two professors wrong ? Go on a train or a ferry or any public transport & watch the old & the young totally engrossed in their mobile phones & iPads. Absolutely no conversation between strangers takes place. Thanks to scientists.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 9:40:11 AM
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Sorry individual, not sure if you were being serious there, but it is too difficult to let that one go, seeing that I'm a scientist, currently on public transport, using my iPad to have a conversation with a complete stranger. I wonder if the small talk I could be having with the guy next to me will be as intellectually stimulating as my online conversations?

I am also very interested in One under gods ability to freely access data, and use tools freely available to him to perform a scientific analysis to conclude that none of the above abilities are available to him.

This is going to be an interesting thread...
Posted by Stezza, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 11:53:11 AM
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Stezza,
There are scientists & there are scientists. Just as there are people & people. Some are good but many aren't good. Scientists have given us many wonderful things but they've also given us terrible things.
The point is Government funding for science. Of course there must be funding for science but we need to distinguish up front which science to give preference to. A lot of really precious funding is wasted on presumption that some scientists are worth every dollar spent on them. This is wrong. Pay a scientist a normal public service wage & when they do come up with something useful then by all means reward them but to give them huge sums of our money & just hope they'll find something has led us to the situation we're at now. A lot of money gone & sfa to show for it. That's my stance.
I am in work that involves a lot of engineering consultants & I can tell you that out of ten engineers one has the potential of being of benefit to us yet all ten are paid impressive tax dollars for projects which are nothing more than future problems for our infrastructure.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 2:19:37 PM
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Sorry Stezza,..not sure..if you were being..serious there
but..im beginning to graspo irony..<<..to perform a scientific analysis..to conclude..that none of the above abilities..are available to him.>>

so..here/under..lets examine

<<..ability to freely access data>>

thats so funny..[so much of the stuff i quote]
is from..others data

[take your own data..at best a summery..of it
will ever be available [ok presumably..available..online

in case your not aware..the 99 pages.[ok finite number].
of google search..pages available..to me..ensure the..[millions..it found]..at best..i can get is 1000..[or there/abouts]..

[not a googilian]
[wont get into the formulated rating systems]

<<and use tools..freely available to him..>>

please explain your concept of free?
limited search..means limited not freely/availed
plus i buy my own..online access and 'tools';

that being said..i had to read....
your comment a few times..to figure out..it was only a dig..

i would love to dig more into individuals point..
as many i have met..online..and live..got paid to research..only to watch the info shelved/filed or other wise kept private/in confidence..

long after the facts become obsolete
ps i think we may have met..there is always..someone asking questions on public transport..usually on a big bus with some kids going to school..and maybe a few adults..many 'bus runs'..could be done in a station wagon ..except that gold plating..built in for peak demand.

solve that one you got it made
i suggest feeder lines..of light rail
[especially up hills]..or a pod based/automated system'[get in and go]

[too much time on a..bus or train..
trying to not talk..or even look..at others]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 4:25:46 PM
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