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The struggle to help boys learn : Comments

By Peter West, published 14/8/2013

Parents of boys must demand that schools do more for their boys. Ask more insistently: what does this school offer my son?

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I'm the father of two daughters and It's my view that most of what's taught at school is a "complete waste of time" for all pupils regardless of gender.None of my 14 year old's friends are engaged with their education, as the author says, schools in 2013 are just social hubs but what state schools really really are are cheap, subsidised day care centres where parents can be sure their kids are safe and not roaming the streets. The most important thing for most parents is that their kids are not being bullied at school, at least not being bullied to the extent that they are on Facebook while at home and especially in secondary schools the Facebook world is the schoolyard, there is no school community in the actual, physical space it's all online and it's far uglier and dysfunctional than most parents know.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 9:16:59 AM
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I agree Jay, complete waste of time.

My father, a teacher, says the problem he has is not that he doesnt have plenty of things to teach, he takes lawn mower engines in for the students to take apart and is generally regarded as an excellent teacher for all types of student, male or female, high need or self sufficient. He says the problem is that government cant decide how the teachers are to REPORT. In other words, how do you prove success? One boy may be very skilled with his hands and knows his way around a workshop with his eyes closed, yet fails at school because he is not a good reader or writer.

Too often to me the teachers are not able to spend the time needed with their students because of all the bureaucratic trash that they must do in order to keep government happy.
Posted by RandomGuy, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 9:26:03 AM
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The Qld school system has let down both my children through failing to hold their dysfunctional mother to account for a lack of attendance. They've gone further at the high school and deliberately failed to advise me when my son has been absent, despite being told that I would do what I could to compel attendance.

As a result my daughter did not attend for enough days in grade 10 to receive a mark, instead being given an "N" which indicates no assessment is possible and has dropped out.So far this year, in grade 9, my son has been absent for 62 days out of around 120. their mother is completely disinterested and hangs up if I try to raise the subject and the school won't return calls on the subject. The education department tells me they have no obligation to do anything if "Mum says its OK" and that I should "go to the Family Court if you're that concerned". Yeah, right, and no doubt the school and education department will provide their "expert" advice to dismiss any such matter I might bring, quite apart from the fact that this is a matter of urgency that they have allowed to develop without doing a damned thing to stop or address it.

Peter West says "fathers are [...] physically or emotionally" but he fails to mention that a feminist-dominated school system deliberately excludes fathers and lazy principals, promoted because of their gender far beyond their ability or interest, allow dysfunctional and damaged mothers to simply let their kids fail.

We have a big problem in this country. There are a lot of people now drawing fat superannuation checks from the public purse who should be ashamed.
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 6:13:58 PM
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Oh for goodness sakes, don't even 'feminists' have sons and brothers?
Why on earth do some men think there is this conspiracy out there against boys education?
That's just sexist rubbish.

As it happens, I believe in segregation of the sexes while in classrooms, as both boys and girls are known to distract each other.

I would prefer gender segregated schools altogether actually.
Then all this feminist conspiracy paranoia would have to stop...
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 15 August 2013 12:59:57 AM
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Suse, feminism is fatally flawed. It is not about helping women become happier, it is about tricking them into giving up the things that make them happy in exchange for things that they spend money on.

I agree that few women would want their children to be mistreated, sons or daughters. There are also few women who would say that they prefer being single to being partnered, but feminism has made that much more likely.By prioritising work over family and giving their children over to be raised by others who are also only doing a job they are creating precisely the conditions that make it most likely that the children that all those women love will end up poorly educated, poorly socialised and have a lousier life than their parents. the boys won't be able to do the one thing they really want, which is to have a good job that lets them provide for a family and the girls won't have a man to do that for them while they do what they want, which is to raise happy children. Instead,a lot of the girls will be working and wishing they didn't have to, a lot of the boys won't be working and wishing they could, they'll get together to have drunken, stoned sex occasionally and make kids for someone else who wishes she was somewhere else to raise and the misery will be perpetuated.

I don't think you reckon that's a good outcome, but because you've been trained to think that "feminism" is equivalent to "treating women better" (which every woman wants and the majority of men want to try to do) you can't think rationally about it.

It's classic "spin" and it's worked far too well.
Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 15 August 2013 7:20:57 AM
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The Sydney Morning Herald today (15 August) features an article on why straight men don't want to get married.
Feminism and blaming men for everything are seen as the problems.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-straight-men-are-boycotting-marriage-20130813-2rtq9.html

It seems that the old tension between men and women still goes strong. I guess there will be strong opinions on this issue.
Posted by Bronte, Thursday, 15 August 2013 8:10:39 AM
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