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Emotion but lack of fiscal detail : Comments
By Kevin Donnelly, published 5/9/2012Even if the federal government can find the additional billions needed the reality is that much of what the Prime Minister proposes is misdirected.
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Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 8:57:23 AM
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...Competition is the secret ingredient to successful and productive outcomes for children. Maybe now is the time to look towards the high achievers in the Paralympics in London, as example for educators. The Paralympians display the example of successful competitive outcomes from individuals who have honed that edge against the grind-stone of disadvantage, and display the necessary determination to overcome huge odds to succeed.
Self-discipline; clear personal objectives and aims; peer support, (which aims at not hindering self-motivation and competition), and a focus on the elimination of the “victim” mentality among children, are some of the essentials. ...Schools have become places of “insular” comfort for teachers and students alike, and must urgently re-align to a flexibility to current realities in the broader community, and work environment, into which children will be “fed” at the completion of their studies: For example, a building of “expectations” in children should be an advanced feature of educating children towards a reality that work may require an uncomfortable move away from home; or that increasing university “places”, is no longer the guarantee to a job; (University attendance may actually hinder the student in the long-term): Or that in fact, unemployment may be the “lot” of the many. ...Education has a place in the community, and is not simply an imperative contained in “self-interest”, as increasingly it is becoming! Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 9:54:28 AM
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Foyle
"The author appears to neglect studies that show that Australian students from public schools do better at university for any specific level of university entry score." Funny that. It has been so for the past sixty years since I went to Swinburne Tech. Gillard spoke of a more skilled work force. Trade skills are like language skills, they are better taught while kids are young, and yet today with no technical schools, they don't get that opportunity until they get to TAFE, much too late. Not all kids are potential university graduates. Many of those who enter university drop out before the end of their first year, particularly in maths and science. Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 11:00:06 AM
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Some trades do not change very much over time but education for work is often education for jobs that will disappear. Education must be geared to thinking and understanding. Only math tables, a few formulas, and spelling require some rote learning. I drew the attention of an electrical engineer friend working in China to this article. He commented; "The author has a very bad understanding of the situation of education in Asian countries. There are vastly different systems in place with vastly different results. The model followed in (most of) mainland China resembles exactly what the author just described, and to be honest, everybody knows it is a farce. It does not produce thinking beings, it produces slaves. The entire system is designed to weed out those who can and can't get into university. It teaches people to pass tests, not to solve problems. Never mind the fact that they have to go to school for 11 hours per day (and often have extra classes on Saturdays) all the way from kindergarten to year 12 in order to get through the system. Their results may be better, but is that a true reflection of actual learning outcomes? The author seems hell bent on making everyone else simpletons". Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 11:29:25 AM
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Foyle, much of what you say makes a lot of sense. There is a lot to be said for the open discussion of ethical and philosophical questions in schools, and I think it is one of the most overlooked parts of our system.
I would, however, be careful of touting the absence of religious influence as a factor in Finnish success. RE is compulsory in Finland. http://www.suol.fi/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Itemid=75 Just a thought. Posted by Otokonoko, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 8:38:02 PM
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Otokonoko
Thanks for your comments. I have read the Finnish site information. Indoctrination appears to play no part in the system. It is indoctrination and the "Give me a child to the age of seven...." type ideas that I object to in religious education and religious schools although I do believe that religion has no place in a secular, evidence based education. The following is an extract from the Finnish site; "Since RE is a compulsory subject, pupils who do not belong to any religious group are taught Ethics. Also some non-Lutheran pupils participate in the Evangelical Lutheran RE. In a nutshell the purpose of RE is described as follows: The main purpose of religious education is to offer stimuli for the construction and development of students´ own religious view on life by teaching them about their own religion, life and thinking of various religions, and by giving students the readiness to understand different world views. Therefore RE as a subject gives an opportunity to study and discuss main questions in religion and life. And students in all RE at school are respected as independent and truth-seeking individuals." Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 10:44:09 PM
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"The evidence is that progressive fads are counter-productive and that the best way to raise standards is to have disciplined and focused classrooms - instead of open spaces - where teachers are in control, students are told when they have failed and the curriculum is academically based. Such characteristics explain why Asian countries perform so well."
That hardly explains the success in Finland and the other Northern European States where absence of religious influence appears to be a major beneficial factor. There, open discussion of ethical and philosophical questions (a progressive fad?) teaches you students to think more clearly, freer of indoctrination.
When such discussions are introduced bullying behaviour virtually disappears (as students learn to negotiate their differences) and the intellectually ability of the students improves; just the opposite effect to religious indoctrination. There are several studies now that show that, the less religious a society is, the better the social well-being of the citizens.
The author appears to neglect studies that show that Australian students from public schools do better at university for any specific level of university entry score.
Australia would produce a better society if all students from an area were educated together and learned to respect and learn from the opinions and cultural situations of the "others" in our society. Some adjustments would probably need to be made to minimize ghetto effects in some poorer areas.
Religious, separate, schools teach students that their group is different and supposedly better than those "others". That is hardly a benefit to the future of Australian society.