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Mike Bloomberg’s war on Big Sugar : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 5/6/2012

Regulating portion size, not taxing or banning product, might be the key to the fight against obesity.

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I'm not sure, but memory suggests that we have a native Australian berry that is around a thousand times sweeter than sugar, with negligible calories?
There are any number of sugar substitutes, one of which apparently comes from sugar? Allegedly just as sweet with far fewer calories.
Perhaps we ought to focus on the simple calorie count rather than sugar per se?
Mangoes are decadently delicious and full of vitamin C! Moreover, as well as providing a sweet satisfying sugar hit, they also have a chemical that wastes a few fat cells with every bite?
Always providing you also eat the skin and don't overdo the taste treat, which would then become self defeating?
It is said an apple a day keeps the doctor away? Perhaps we might add, a mango a day helps keeping obesity at bay? As does drinking more water?
Perhaps one might suggest a very filling tropical fruit salad for breakfast that could include, almost any combination of fresh yoghurt, pineapple, paw paw, mango, blanched almonds, crushed Brazil nuts, sultanas, blue berries and a banana.
Have it as a blended and chilled smoothie, (takeaway,) if you want the kids to follow your example? Fresh if available and or affordable, or dried/packaged if not? Soak the dried fruit and blanched almonds over night in the fridge, if you still want the quick and easy smoothie in the morning? Rhrosty.
P.S.Vegans should include a daily vitamin 12 supplement, which is arguably all that's missing from a very healthy, very broad vegan diet.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:37:09 PM
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Here's a radical idea. Don't regulate, ban or limit any sort of food or drink. Give the people the information about what's in it all and trust the people to make their own decisions.

In fact, if you value democracy, trusting the people should be the starting point for all government decisions, though I can't imagine the Greens and other protagonists of the nanny state letting their fellow citizens make decisions for themselves. Good heavens, what if someone made a decision the Greens didn't like?
Posted by Senior Victorian, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 2:49:31 PM
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Greetings Senior Victorian

Your proposal that in a democracy a government can "trust people" to decide for themselves is fine in theory, but has failed in practice because people are not homogenous with skill sets. Many are alert to the pros and cons of an array of foods and drinks. But many are also ignorant.

The marketers of fast food are sending their messages by print and electronic means with sweet tunes and in-the-meal-box prizes. Such as Happy Meals, for a period of time.

In a democracy the countervailing msg would be often made. That is that fast foods are not wholesome meals and are loaded with sugar and fats.
But that msg is not made.

Many have no idea that quick service restaurants, w actually sell high energy treats that are NO substitute for balanced meals.

Ideally such people would receive messages or education on what is good and what is bad to eat, without the government resorting to taxes or regulations of serving sizes. But experiments have shown many people do not want to be educated or cannot be educated and so giving them cues e.g. smaller boxes of Kentucky Fried Chicken as 'standard' meals could be what sways them to eat less of such foods.
Posted by Jonathan J. Ariel, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 9:27:59 PM
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Rhrosty - thanks for rekindling in me the desire to go vegan. It slipped way down my priority list recently.
Posted by Jonathan J. Ariel, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 9:30:40 PM
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You're on very dangerous ground here, Jonathon. Once you start believing that you or 'the experts' have a responsibility to protect people from themselves, you are attacking the very basis of the contract between the government and the people.

We give government the power to coerce us in order to protect us from harm by others. That's why we allow armies and police forces. We do not permit government to protect us from our own decisions. One of the fascinating paradoxes in today's Australia is that a government that fancies itself to be progressive is becoming more authoritarian by the day - one banned sugary drink and newspaper column at a time.
Posted by Senior Victorian, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 11:30:26 AM
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Senior Victorian

I consider myself, broadly speaking, reasonably libertarian. I also know that any ideology in its purest form is a hideous catastrophe.

Were this proposal putting forward the banning of sugary drinks in their entirety, then I would concur with you.

It's not. This will only affect cups of soft drink that are roughly the size of your head.

People still have the choice to buy a great deal of soft drink. They can go back and buy two smaller cups if they're that desperate to get it.

Your purist libertarian arguments come across as naught but hyperbole when weighed against the realities of the situation.

We all have to pay tax to support our health-care system. I don't have a problem with that, I'm glad we have a basic safety net. Seeing as we all have to pay for that, I think it's reasonable that measures that still allow us our freedom, but reduce strain on the health-care system, are reasonable.

You declare "I should have the right to buy whatever I damn well want, no matter how stupid or gluttonous it is."

And you still have that right in this case. Is it not reasonable for others to prod you to consider the wisdom of such a purchase?
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 1:31:15 PM
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