Thank you for the information you provide Jocelynne. There has to be much re-thinking and re-forming done at Qantas. Jocelynne, how can we support Qantas as we know it or once knew it by getting rid of Alan Joyce and Leigh Clifford for starters? A renewed board is required, I reckon. What amazed me during the recent fracas, was that the media did not question the role of General Peter Cosgrove on the board and where he stood on board decisions. Cosgrove got into such places as corporate boards by being seen as a national hero - East Tmor, Cyclone Larry rebuilding. A national hero is part and parcel of the downgrading and degrading of Australian workers and the Australian flag-carrier? Part of selling out Australians for a mess of pottage? Putting an Australian name to slave or sweathouse labour and wages?