A salute to Michael Anderson:-

...The imperative for the “Aboriginal struggle” is to avoid the “Con-Job” of Multiculturalism.

...The Aboriginal cause must stay firmly focused and united on the vision of themselves as not simply “another” culture,( such as the myriad of "Foreign Castigators" currently laying claim to ownership of Australia, through the “Rip-Off” of Multiculturalism, relentlessly promoted as the Golden God of economic salvation, by the throng of the “Politically Correct” elite); but follow the path of “Remembrance” through the now institutionalised Canberra “Tent Embassy”, as a symbolic tool to “Maintain the Rage” by laying continuing claim to that rightful “Honour”, as the only true and original modern Australian culture that the Aboriginal Nation is, in demanding genuine equality and inclusion, and genuine “Human Rights”!

Not well known or publicised is that the first protest tent in front of the old Parliament House was actually erected by a Barry Williams, an aboriginal who later founded the Lone Fathers Association that now has branches across Australia.

Some years later the larger tent embassy was erected.

Barry Williams has since organised many events inside the new Parliament House, but it appears the Lone Fathers Association is now considering class action against the government for its feminist and anti-human child support and custody laws.

So a little piece of history worth considering on Australia Day.

Do you remember when that group of African UN & civil rites people were brought to Oz by these aboriginal activists?

They were going to have a huge protest, & close down the Sydney olympics.

Remember their reaction, after they found out the facts of aboriginal welfare in Oz?

Something like "bl00dy hell, that we should be so lucky back home".

I do get sick of the bitching by boat people, pensioners, the unemployed, or our aboriginals, & the industry who live off them.

embassy is an absolute disgrace. 'White 'fellows money is used by these people to eat, get drunk, fly around the country and create anarchy. How we have let these people become so dependant on welfare is a disgrace. No wonder they have no dignity.

I've just watched an appallingly violent and cowardly attack on the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition by those claiming to represent the 'tent embassy'. If that's what the embassy represents then the sooner it is dismantled and the occupiers removed, the better for all of us. One hopes our indigenous leaders take the initiative and condemn this action. They should then use their good offices to help remove the embassy.

'One hopes our indigenous leaders take the initiative and condemn this action.

Tribal thinking usually endorses any actions no matter how disgusting.

...Do I detect a little "Redneck" rage! No racism on this page though, funny that!

The people occupying the Tent Embassy do not represent aborigines. They are just violent thugs. Tony Abbott is right, everyone else has moved on and so should they. And Diver Dan, just because you do not agree with some comments does not make them rednecks or racists. You are obviously emotional immature and need to grow up.

and they got our media attention tonight to, by attacking the Prime Minister of Australia. PR disaster.

Bookman write

'he people occupying the Tent Embassy do not represent aborigines '

then why would the gutless Government let them squat next the Parliament house for 40 years? I doubt whether you will hear any aborginal leaders rebuking those thugs.

Agreed Cheryl. It's an odd way to start a campaign for a change in the constitution to support indigenous Australians.

Thanks Diver - the best way to engage in any discussion is to shout 'racist' as if that settles anything.

Diver Dan,
'Redneck" is a Racial slur, are you doing a bit of "BYO Racism" in lieu of any significant outrage at yesterday's events?
Here's a quote for you, from me. "As a White Racialist I applaud the defensive actions of the Indigenous activists against the genocidal Australian government"

Senior Victorian.
All I saw was a bunch of scared cops over reacting and a security detail playing G.I Joe for the camera, their path to the car was not obstructed by protesters, only photographers and camera men who scurried out of the way when the "Flying Wedge" tore past them, the whole episode is so stupid.

The first post is interesting, "rememberance" is a noble concept, I hate "reconciliation" as implies that Aborigines were also to blame for their own Genocide.
The only people who need to reconcile the events of the past are White Australians who insist on taking the blame for policies they had no hand in drafting and which applied to people who were to all intents and purposes invisible to the mainstream.

running quote..""embassy..is an absolute disgrace.""

your mnaking the same mistake..athiests make ol mate
blaming the affect..back to a faulse cause

just as much as people hate religeon
yet them hate god

you hate the embassy[turn the other cheek bro...its the same appartheid..stuff going down in palestein]

beating up those who's right
is indisputable..so let look how you blamed
'god' gor this..sin of men...[the embassy]

""'White 'fellows money..is used by these people to eat,""

wrong..not one penny
in fact we klive by charity alone
wether its the salvo's bringing in old foodstuff..or the quakers building the elders tin hut..[that tuckey burnt down]..or the blessed tree loppers dwelivering our fire wood

or just guests beringing in a treat
or entertainment...[or giving private concerts..like george warrumpi..or sportspeople/or other native asosiations..just checking

all can stay there for free
fed and house...in christian style...

sure..there are those sent in to make us look bad
""get drunk,..fly around the country and create anarchy.""

but this largly stopped after iron bar turkey lost his job

""How we have let these people
become so dependant on welfare is a disgrace.""

heck mate the govt allways uses patsies
coconuts..bvlack outside white inside

""No wonder they have no dignity.""

cause a hungry man..will do anything
for one who opretends to love him..with booze drugs travel

much like the labratters party
busses in pre selection voters

its a dirty game
i tried 3 times to open a museum
to tell the truth..on site...

posted more here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4934&page=0

invite to juliar/here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4936&page=0

now im going to read
this article's precies/adgenda

I'd like to comment on the discussion paper published by the law council of Australia on constitutional recognition of indigenous Australians.

http://www.lawcouncil.asn.au/shadomx/apps/fms/fmsdownload.cfm?file_uuid=2D64AD56-CCF1-979E-72D9-9D0714E6855B&siteName=lca

The council;
"strongly supports the removal of those remaining sections of the Constitution which discriminate on the ground of race."

Including section 25 which anticipates the disqualification of persons of a particular race from voting and section 51(xxvi) which, as interpreted by the High Court provides a source of power for the enactment of racially discriminatory laws.

I completely agree with these constitutional changes. I would also tolerate the entirely symbolic preamble containing paragraphs recognizing Aboriginal people as the first peoples of Australia (or more accurately, the ones here when the british arrived).

However the inclusion of " with distinct identities and histories, as well as their prior occupation and ownership, continuing dispossession, and particular status in contemporary Australia" as suggested should not be included, as it suggests first that the identity of all Aboriginal people is defined as a victim, and second, that this will always be the case. Also, as the preamble will most likely include a section such as (Victorian Constitution)

"The Parliament does not intend by this
section- to affect in any way the interpretation
of this Act or of any other law in force in
Victoria."

Then by definition it will be meaningless. That however, is the minor problem.
The main flaw of this paper is that although the council "strongly supports the removal of those remaining sections of the Constitution which discriminate on the ground of race." they go on to say:

"It is one thing to prevent the
singling out of Indigenous Australians for adverse
treatment by a general guarantee of racial equality
and racial non-discrimination. It is another thing
to ensure that special or advantageous or beneficial
treatment of Indigenous Australians is not susceptible
to invalidation on the ground of infringing a
general guarantee of racial equality and racial nondiscrimination."

Which is positive discrimination, aka racial discrimination. I fully support amending the constitution to remove parts that discriminate based on race. This proposal does not do that.

Stezza,

All a bit moot after the riot, one would think. And this afternoon's march and flag-burning. And demands on universities to include the compulsory teaching of versions of Aboriginal Culture, funded, one suspects, from DEEWR allocations which are supposed to go solely to Indigenous student support.

But to take your point: yes, eliminate clauses which may be interpreted as racist in some way (I don't think that was their original intention, more like a move to take responsibility for Aboriginal affairs out of the hands of the States). But to then include an incredibly ambiguous clause to promote positive discrimination is almost mind-bogglingly dopey: 'advancement' defined by whom ? And if languages are to be preserved, for example, then what languages should schooling be in, in the NT ? Who decides ? What if some people want their kids taught in English, the language of secondary schooling, textbooks, higher education, and employment ?

If the Indigenous elite wishes to maintain the Gap, then they could hardly do better than push for these kinds of discriminatory measures. I guess, however, that these measures would require lifelong monitoring, therefore committee membership, overseas conferences and Labor Party accolades and promotions of all sorts.

I've knocked around Indigenous affairs for nearly fifty years but this measure will not get my vote in any Referendum. Take that any way you like. There is a lot of work to be done, so let's get down and start doing it instead of eternally whinging. I'm sick to bloody death of it.

Joe

today a bunch of aboriginals started burning the australian flag and spitting on it half of these abos arent even abos at all they are halfcasts you get all these benefits that a white person doesnt get you get millions every year to booze up and sniff petrol.if the white man gave you back your land as you want it wouldnt last long so the white man should take everything we gave you like clothes houses the food you eat and the education that you have as far as im concerned you are worth nothing in my eyes(they use to say to me as a white man you are scum)im not scum you are

...Well . well, what a surprise! I include in this addendum an inclusive salute to Mark McMurtrie, who with Michael Anderson pulled-off one of the most significant and succinct coups of any past Australian protest since the Vietnam War. A brilliant stroke of genius; congratulations!

I was of the opinion it was an unlawful act to deface the flag.

I also thought it was unlawful to make a public nucence of yourself, yell abuse, etc,etc.

I guess those laws only appliy to some, hey!

No butcher, it is not unlawful to deface the flag.

In fact, that former conservative Prime Minister John Howard defended the right of people to burn the Australian flag, saying that "while repugnant, it was a matter of free speech." I agree.

As to your other inflammatory slurs, they typify ignorance at best, deliberate incitement at worst, hey!

rehctub

'I also thought it was unlawful to make a public nucence of yourself, yell abuse, etc,etc.'

Not if you are aboriginal or from the left. The academic elite have or make up laws to protect those pursueing their dogmas.

Joe,

I agree, perhaps a moot point anyway, given the history of referenda in Australia. I really just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy of this group, and the potential dangers of their proposals.

My question to these people is who exactly do they blame for past wrong-doings? All non-aboriginal Australians? White Australians? People with British heritage? Surely not those brought here against their will (convicts). Eventually, the aboriginal people will have to realize that Australia exists, and thanks to that we all have equal rights, opportunities and responsibilities. Those that are born here, have no where else to go, we will not apologize for being here.

Bonmot, while I accept that burning the flag may not be unlawful (I checked), ther is little doubt it is totally disrespectful.

So much money is handed out to so few, much of which is undeniably wasted, a fact that even you can not deny.

We have worked tirelessly in the past decade to make good the wrongs committed by those from a previous generation. Even to the point of providing a formal apology.

We have provided houses, which they have burned down.
we have provided billions in welfare, much of which has been wasted on grog. Evidence being that in the town of Weipa, I can't buy myself a cask of wine during the day, as the law does not permit these be sold prior to 5pm in response to the drunken indigenous layabouts in the local parks.

To think we have tolerated all this crap for years, provided all this support for years, allow a race to literally do as they like, work if they choose, send their kids to school if they choose, only to have this all un done in one day.

Let's face it, we are literally pissing into a fan when it comes to helping these people.

Loosers is probably the first word that comes to mind.

The ironic part is, the tents they live in, the power they consume, the phones, computers etc they use to communicate, the cloths they ware and the welfare they use or choose to waste is often provided by those they despise.

Where to now!

diverse dan/quote.."" well,..what a surprise!
I include in this addendum..an inclusive salute to Mark McMurtrie,""

yes he has some great stuff
not sure what it has evolved into
but here was some earlier 'beginnings'
[for those comming in a bit late]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fW6ny7_vGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCy2uYi1xZc

he has done arround 10 vidio's in all
check the user's posted vidio section

tubbers quote..""So much money..is handed out to so few,""

by so many rich people...lol

oh...hangon...
how much actually got habnded out
see its only too clever to tell people
here is the money...now go the beurocratic runarround..to get at it

if you dont know eurocrat speak
well you cant get the money

yes a lot of money is offerd
but not deliverd

any that is 'deliverd'..goes to the dudes making up horror tales
you enjoy so much quoting...and your lot so enjoy burning down as i posted them into the museum

""much of which is undeniably wasted"'

sure...in admin
by non first people,
or by the cocconut patsies..media so loves
the tame blacks

""a fact that
even you can not deny.""

nor you

""We have worked tirelessly""

lol
whats this we thing
YOR CLAIMING TO HELP?
'work tirelessly"?..[freely?}

lol

""to make good..the wrongs committed""

by previous cash cow churn[like coppers handing ya one pound
while they take two[then their kids steal..the wages]

mate family business means
often the abused have become like family
indeed are family..as the masster took his gin in the waters

""by those from a previous generation.""
for the next..just aas long as the blackies dont get nuthin

heard yesterday..the rally call[from corupt police]
at the eurika stockade..'lets go on a digger hunt'

reminds me of the unmentionale nigg er hunt

""Even to the point of providing a formal apology.""

lol
on excomunicated pm,...lol
how much milage ya want from 6 tears..and an im sorry

heck stop pissin
in the saucebottle

""We""
lol...

""have provided houses""

poverty shacks..that contracters build
for 1 million dollar a shot,..then expect 20 peoople to live in
[with service facilities..that dont work

in unpaved strets
with one pub/store..run by 'whites'
you cant be that ignorant you dont know

""which they have burned down.""

how many?
name nanmes not hjust parrot back spin/rot

DETAILS MATE
present the fact
not the facist

""we have provided billions in welfare,""

that went directly into the pockets of out of towners
see mate money needs to circulate

in them places...[reservations...one money outlet
where you can spend...is as lucrative as running the prison shop

""much of which has been wasted on grog.""

much..is a buzz word
less than 1 in 4 drink
cant you think past ya biased hate mate?

""Weipa,..I can't buy myself
a cask of wine during the day""

pot
KETTLE

bah
[heck mate why dont ya buy the franchise
you can get drunk on cask wine all ya like

can YOU..drink cask wine
i will bet..all the bETTER wine..you can buy any time YOU chose

""in response to the drunken
indigenous layabouts in the local parks.""

says the white knight
of the KKK

""we are literally pissing into a fan""

if the image fits
your welcom..i myself wouldnt piss on you

""Loosers is probably the first word that comes to mind.""

heck
your right

""Where to now!""

change minds?
where is the love
what do you really fear more..truth or ignorantce

"Where to now" butcher?

This question has perplexed all Australians for a long time, and no one has got the answer right, right?

One thing is sure, unless we (all Australians) are prepared to work together on the answer/s - rather than play politics and race, as they do - there will be no resolution.

The events of Australia Day 2012 (for want of a better word) have again set back the time for resolution - no one should take solace in that. It was and is a disgrace that all Australians should feel shame about, despite any justification to the contrary.

Personally, I believe it is a measure of society (its culture, its people, its maturity, its justice, its development) on how well they treat the most disadvantaged in their society. But yes, there should be a return on investment.

While there is a measure of truth in what you say (not all) I feel very uncomfortable with your undertones and where that might lead.

.

For runner:

Your comments belie you as an example Christianity, I am not surprised at your hypocrisy.

Bonmot writes
'Your comments belie you as an example Christianity, I am not surprised at your hypocrisy.'

I would be extremely concerned should I have the endorsement of a moral relativist

dear vanna...thank you
for that addition to historic fact

so let me add some more
there was a guy..[i got the paperwork...
it was hanging in the 3 rd museum]..i think he was a williamson

anyhow he was pure blood law man
he walked to the opening of parlement house[3 days]

he protested there from before it was opened
he used to sit..under that king staute

[that used to sit opposiste..main entry
opposite the steps..of old perliment house..but was moved off to the side..in front of the tennis courts now]

anyhow the members hated being remibnded of the joinder
or that first protester...and the king

just sitting looking at them
watching his patch...the market place
watching as the scum stood upon the holies of holies

the birth place of eve
who's birth waters still moisten the holy ground

those idiots who think ya can move holy places arround
well they just dont get symbolism

we cant own the land
it owns us

we are..a part of..the land
just as your arm..is a part of your body

so much we could quickly achieve
by true sepperation of the TRUE POWERS
[man/ feemail]..[via mains/and wimums circles]

heck mens woman circles
one holds the authority/law
the other the nuature and the nurture

concensus..orders warrent to govt

we should be talking with the govener general;
who orders govternance..by order..over the military forces

to tell the giovener general
to stand
*her troops down

tell her
to surrender her colonial powers

over the instrumnent
of colonisation[the armed forces]

back to the prper matriarchal/patriarchal concenuss

as selected [entrusted]
by the mens circle..[the lower house
and the womans circle..[the senet]..[the upper house]

that we return
to aborigonal time
not nessisarilly origonal ways

Sorry OUG, your posts are just to hard, I give up.

OUG,

It could be that you are onto something:

'that we return
to aborigonal time
not nessisarilly origonal ways '

- yes, Stone Age cultural practices may have a lot going for them. After all, ALL of our ancestors were at one time hunters and gatherers, scavengers and foragers, so it can't have been all bad, and the Stone Age lasted so long. And as we know, the longer something lasts, and the slower things change (preferably not at all), then the better they are, from one point of view. Pity it's a reactionary point of view, the very essence of conservatism which so many on the Left are currently in love with.

Yes, when you think about it, it probably wasn't that bad for many of our ancestors, gallivanting around the hills and dashing through the heather in a northern Scottish winter, chasing those blOOdy capercaillies, covering ourselves in mud for warmth, fighting every other clan group over the next hill, eating each other - ritually, of course, spiritually even - fashioning weapons and tools laboriously out of stone (hey, it WAS the Stone Age), worshipping rocks and appeasing fairies.

And then those bloody Romans come along and spoil it all. B@stards !

Yes, bring back the Stone Age ! No change for forty thousand years (except during those Ice Ages) can't be all bad.

...The end-game for the “Nuevo-Aboriginal Rights” movement, is to make successful claim for total sovereign rights of Australia. The mire to cross is a legal one, and needs to prove the Commonwealth Constitution to be invalid: If successful, the legal challenge will lay claim to all Australian titled and crown lands, of the entire Commonwealth States and Territories.

...By offering a genuine reconciliation with “Traditional Australians” established under terms and conditions of a Native Sovereignty, Indigenous people will be free to establish a rule that is acceptable to themselves, which are inclusive of rights of the traditional White Australians, through a memorandum of understanding, or peace accord, (Constitution), between those two groups considered historical and traditional antagonists, and allow peace to establish, and a “Genuine” reconciliation to be achieved, once and for all!

OUG:

Thanks for the extensive links to Mark McMurtries speeches.

Dan...

Diver,

Good luck with that.

Wow, I just saw another flying pig - and it was carrying an Australian Flag (complete with all six stars too)! Oh, and there goes Mother Hen and her clutch - heading for New Zealand, I suspect.

Burning our Aussie flag was such a nice touch - really how to win friends and influence people. Credibility in one fell swoop - straight down the gurgler, and rightly so. Reconciliation with large dollops of delusions of grandeur? Mmmm.

We are one country, one Nation, and it's time some people learned that simple truth. We love freedom and equality, and I'm glad to say we're not looking for a new true-blue Aussie (if that's still the right name?) King - thanks all the same, but we respectfully decline.

Diver Dan,

As you write,

" ...The end-game for the “Nuevo-Aboriginal Rights” movement, is to make successful claim for total sovereign rights of Australia."

It took me some time to decipher this and its implications, but if I understand you correctly, if Nuevo-Aboriginal people do not get full ownership of all of Australia, pretty much now, and to hell with the other 22 million "foreign castigators", then they will give up the game. This is their end-game. This or nothing.

Is that it ?

My wife came from a community which had control of twelve thousand acres of beautiful land at the mouth of the Murray, and the people there now do nothing with it but run a couple of hundred head of cattle. We used to joke that a thousand Vietnamese would turn every acre of it into something within a year, gardens, fish-farms, orchards, boutique crops, grain crops, fodder-crops, duck-farms, etc.

But the local Aboriginal people have successfully destroyed its economic base and now contentedly live on welfare. So much for self-determination and land rights.

And you want the rest of Australia ?

As Saltpetre observed, he had just seen a flying pig. I haven't seen one yet but I live in hope: it's more likely to happen than the fairy godmother granting your wish.

Cheers,

Joe

its worth noting this..re quote
that boils down to lies..ontop of spin

with all this platitude[ingratitude]....re insult
lets rub..real salt..into the wound

my reply to sense
[quoted from]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4941&page=0

common/sense
[for once]..to quote..

""The nation of Australia..was actually born
on January 1st,..1901.""

wether it was vandiemens land...new holland...
or simply the great south land's..australia didnt egsist..
till it was created..[or granted..to egsist by its people]..

and its people
have denied it..[..*howards referndumb!..lol..remember]

some other foreign
[colonising]..british govt's act
[australia act]...DOTH NOT A NATION MAKE..!lol

austr-alien?
lol..you are..a colon[y]

get your own act
dont take insult..its time to consult

there is no flag
described..in its colonial constitution

we still have..an armed occupation force*
CONTROLED..by a representative..of the british queen

who serve..to protect the queen..and her heirs
we teqniclly cant even claim..a flag..of our own
hence the convoluted double crosses..in the corner..lol..of the southern cross

cause we arnt even..a self aware..self declared independant nation
maybe at best a colony...[lets face it..the australia ACT...had to be ratiefied..by british govt]..see the joke right there..

look at who gives order's
commisions/honours..to the armed forces
a british queen's govener..[general]...lol

if anything..the flag
stands..for ignorance

we are a funny convoliution of states gov generals
and a federal gov general..who has final yeah or nay

indeed teqniclly cant sign..[ratify]..*any law...
but by by..the queens governing generalities/mark

[thus cant even..join
the united nations..unless ratified..by hrh]

that hasnt happend
but..other things have...[funny how lies..only grow bigger]

""This inauguration..date
was legally and constitutionally proclaimed by Queen Victoria on 17 September, 1900...This is our true birthday as a nation.""

lol..if nation we be
or colony..or collective of colonies

""December 31st..should also be made a public holiday
as it was on December 31st,..1900.""

till we direct...the gg to leave
we are a colony..under occupation..forces!

that deserves more thinking
than blustering..[spin]..by an anti monarcist pm

One Under God:

...I note on this mornings news, Mark McMurtrie has jumped the good ship “SS tent embassy”.
What he epitomises by this move, is the typical trend of the able individual with ability and motivation, to move away from the base line of the Aboriginal main-stream struggle.

...The same trend amongst the intellectually able, to escape the social horrors and dysfunctional social living conditions of Aboriginal communities, is likewise common among the young educated: Education appears only to enhance a separation from communities, rather then assisting in the overall transition of Aboriginal society into the broader community, as one would expect.

...Those particular trends are a very tragic aspect of Aboriginal Politics. But, I would hope Mark McMurtrie will continue to the end, the defence of the now famous Australia day tent embassy demonstration, and not roll over to pressures, which will no doubt be applied by way of "incentive”, tich, tich, in order to silence him.

Loudmouth: (Joe)

I think you may be disillusioned Joe: Quite understandable

Thanks, Diver Dan, yes you might have got that right.

After all, what does self-determination mean if people don't want to make any use of any land that they get back ? I know that sounds capitalist, Western, whitefella, but before contact, people also used their land, they didn't just sit back and wait to get fed by the pelicans. Why on Earth were we campaigning for land rights if people never intended to build some sort of economic base ?

So now, about a fifth of the entire Australian land-mass - not all of it desert - is under Indigenous control. Even much of the 'desert' country would be okay for cattle, and who knows what minerals might lie beneath that Indigenous-controlled fifth ?

So is a demand for ALL of Australia - given that people won't make any use of it - nothing more than a childish, spiteful game of "It's ours now, you can't have it, nyah, nyah."

And when will people get it into their heads that 'sovereignty' means 'no more funding from outside' ? 'Self-rule' ? 'Self-determination' ? 'Autonomy' ? 'Do it all yourself, feed yourself somehow from your own efforts, and pay for it all yourself' ? Do some Indigenous people have a naive idea that a fairy-godmother government pays THEM merely because they own land ? As a sort of reward for being land-owners ? And that they are some sort of feudal lords ?

All I can suggest is that whatever they are doing, they should stop it or they'll go blind.

Cheers,

Joe

diver's quote..""Mark McMurtrie..has jumped..ship""

got any proof..[link]
sources?...

anyhow..he has a firm..*attitude..on sovereignity
[much like i do...and its not beyond..the powers that be..to stir up people against him..

as they did..against what i..was trying to tell them
[ie their own bank/instruments/govt..the whole dice]...then join all the other first nations...[via a decree..to the un..demanding it become s.u.n..[sovereign united nation]

this sovereign/unity ticket
can underwrite..all egsistant debt
by sovereign claim..of right...locally

so we affectivly..are governed/locally
[via mens and womans circles]
via each school-district

[in affect..for any govt assistance...we
proposed..the local school..be the one stop shop...for all govt SERVICES*]

naturaly..states and councils..
and the elites..dont like thinking like that
so rumourmonger against..anyone..shakking things up

but so far..its a rumour
lets wait/see

""What he epitomises...the..typical trend
of the able individual..with ability and motivation,
to move away..from the base/line//of the Aboriginal main-stream struggle.""

mate you dont know marc
he lives/his truth..[he says
see what i do..you..can do better]


...""The same trend..to escape..the social horrors
and..dysfunctional/social living conditions
of Aboriginal communities,..is likewise
common among the young educated:""

you havnt watched/any..of his vidios have you[lol]

""Education..appears only to enhance
a separation..from communities,""

mark is the best..current teacher
of how..we got here...in oz

""rather than assisting..in the
overall transition..of Aboriginal society..into the broader community,""

you mean absorbed
into generalities..!

slavery/no identity..but white/austr-ALIAN..identity[perpetuelly enslaved by corperate intrests]..paying off..the debts of the too big to fail corperations...

support treasonous/odious debt
when what was stolern..is everything
but..not the sovereign right of seignorage

but..they dont teach that..in school
obey orders..master=govt..slave=you
lol

""...Those particular/trends..are a very tragic
aspect..of Aboriginal Politics."""

why dont..*they just give/in
heck..the man has offerd big bribes
just go away...but some*..*cant be bought

""I would hope/Mark McMurtrie..will continue to the end,""

dont sweat on it/he tries
he isnt alone..he isnt going away
no-where to run too..this is his home/land..too

[he dont like/the flag burning non-sense
so might be resting-up..[he is in high demand]

""tich,/tich,..in order..lol
to silence him.""

no..not quite

lots of 40 th embassy clips on youtube
but not on mark

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aboriginal+tent+embassy&oq=tent+embassy&aq=2m&aqi=g2g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=107540l112142l0l116251l14l12l0l0l0l0l503l923l4-1.1l2l0

mashi got lots of survival stuff
http://www.youtube.com/user/mashj50
but he possably wont post..re mark till the mardigrass
and aquarius foundation day..first weekend in may

Saltpetre:

...I find it personally stimulating to float a few lead balloons in the gales of hot air from Canberra! Sorry you are not willing to step into the basket to enjoy the view!

...From the lowly platform you inhabit; the one centralised inside the stuffy conservative suburban confines of “John Howardsville”, move for refreshing lateral-thinking, is anchored in racism and divisive politics unfortunately.

Dos vedanya Tovarisch:

Dan…

One Under God:

...Thanks OUG. I've camped in worse conditions than the boys in the tent embassy when camping on the beach. (Not for forty continuous years though)! I'll study your post and links and get back to you!

Diver,

Sorry if I have my feet planted firmly on the ground - unlike your good self and so many other like-minded followers who are inhabiting a fairyland of whacky possibilities. It's time to get a grip and face some potentially unpleasant realities, in spite of the constraints of political correctness.

Since Land Rights and the Apology, of Rudd's promises, what has really changed? But it's all Whitefeller's fault, isn't it? The magic bullet's missing, the Philosopher's Stone and the Alchemy to turn all into gold at the touch, at the asking. Self-determination requires self-reliance, me old chum, and taking responsibility for taking advantage of opportunity. But, what advantage has been taken of opportunity, of land rights, education, employment? Too little, by too few.

Who's responsible for kids having to be chased or cajoled to get up and go to school? Who's responsible for the boozing, the bashing? Who's stuck on the welfare bandwaggon with no intention of getting off? Why are there still camps? Why does there have to be pub curfews, and 'special' petrol to curtail 'sniffing', and controls on welfare so that kids get fed and go to school? Who is responsible?!

When Phillip arrived communication with indigenous people was not possible, and many groups and languages existed, each keeping to his own patch. (The Dreaming must have come from an original emmigrant group - which then scattered throughout the land?) Communication remains a problem, but not only between indigenous and non-indigenous.

Camps set up outside stations, for handouts. Indigenous people were understandably intrigued by these new arrivals, with their seemingly endless supply of goods, with their building of a permanent homestead, with their fire-sticks, horses, cattle, sheep, farming. What's changed? Still a mystery?

The indigenous people may form a nation - for the first time in their history - but it will not be easy. Land Councils and ATSIC have achieved little, but still demands for more rights. A continuation of you give, we take, we sit.

Give greater control to an indigenous 'Council', after such evidence of self-government capability? Who's kidding who?

Saltpetre,

Wow - I hadn't realised it was all so simple...I mean from an anthropological point of view n'all that.

"...A continuation of you give, we take, we sit."

Makes you wonder why there should be any discussion at all on the subject.

"Camps set up outside stations, for handouts. Indigenous people were understandably intrigued by these new arrivals with their seemingly endless supply of goods...with their fire-sticks".
(I hear indigenous American Indians had a similar experience - white man ingratiates himself in an extremely insistent manner).

Who did the taking?

Poirot,

I've already gone out on a limb here, so I'll take a step out further and wait for the branch to break.

I'm all in favour of reconciliation, but am hesitant about what form this might take. Should we follow the American model, the Canadian, the New Zealand? Or, make a brand new model?

All this talk of 'sovereignty', and the demand for its embodiment in the Constitution, is the real issue. We did get our independence from England (or UK?) didn't we? The Commonwealth of Nations? But now we seem to be faced with gaining independence from the original owners. Do we buy it? What's it going to take to make adequate reparation? Or should the UK make reparation, as the original thief? Can any reparation be truly sufficient?

There is a disturbing element to all the talk of 'sovereignty' - visions of 'us' having to pay 'rent' to them, of having to share all the spoils of our incursion, a share of all investment and development returns. Must we, the interlopers, also accept reduced rights, for we are not 'true' Australians?

Saying 'sorry' is merely a start, and by no means anywhere near true recognition or reparation, but Australia is now a very different place from the New Holland of old, and our indigenous population somewhat different to their original forebears - at least as far as opportunity is concerned.

We are a distinctly multicultural nation now, with minorities from many nations, including many who have been disposessed of their 'original' rights. Should the world now become a hotbed of litigation for loss of rights?

Should we expect a class action? Or can we reach an amicable 'agreement'? Should reparation be based on original use of territory, on loss of earnings (or survival equivalent), and with damages for pain and suffering of course? How much? A million and a penthouse for each? A billion? (And a non-disclosure contract, with guarantee of no double-dipping?) Or can equal rights be sufficient? (As we try to extend to all 'Australians'.)

Original 'owners' - yes. Sovereignty - I shudder to contemplate.

salty/quote..""make a brand new model?""

yes...mens womans business
built arround the 550 nations
via school discticts self autonimously run..via a gg
over seeing all govt action within their fiefdom[a trustee]..not a figure head..[bonus for extra value adding]

elected by concensus..via local mens/womans circle

""All this..talk of 'sovereignty',..and the demand
for its embodiment in the Constitution,..is the real issue.""

we are all..orgigonally from somewhere
but our aborigonal/right extends..to where-ever we are
[ab-origonal lands]..

""We did get..our independence..from England(or UK?)..didn't we?""

no we didnt
see we need to apoint a trustee
and define the trust...ourselves..[not have some forgeign power nominate an austeralia act[the people must ratify]..but governance has moved beyond the constitution rules

""The Commonwealth/of Nations?""

is a trust..til the trustee
claims..the rights back[placed in trust]

""gaining independence..from the original owners""

YOU are a heir
of the enjoined lands..of this world.
YOU ARE THE ORIGONAL OWNER

""Do we buy it?""

land cannot be owned
its a trust...must be respected..for the good of all[not just a few colluding few]..all of you..not just some

""adequate reparation?""

just law..not just us
we all had our rights subverted/perverted
kings dont rule over us...but for us..[if they arnt for us all..they are against us all]

""should the UK make reparation""

no simply give each nation state[schookl district]..its own locasl money[taxed as its transacted out of state]to finance the collective federacy,

local mens/womens/circles..send specific representatrives of their state[school district]..to represent federal obligations

that collectivly underwrite the 550 local state's
and servuice the gg/governance

anything govt go to a local school
[no more big fish..many smaller fish in smaller ponds]

""Can any reparation..be truly sufficient?""
give each their own sovereign rights
beginning with the right of seignorage

[issueing each..its own minted LOCAL coin]
[based on the promise..of seed of the wikigeld
[the prophesised..'leavings..of the tree of life']..rev 22/2]

Hi One Under God,

As they point out on The Big Bang theory, there is an infinite number of galaxies across the universe, with an infinite number of planets, so there is every likelihood that, somewhere out there, there is a planet where your ideas may be being put into practice right at this moment.

Good luck :)

Joe

""..visions of 'us'..having to pay 'rent'..to them,"'

not you..'us'..the 'CROWN us..[the colony of the federal/state/council's...multinationals ..and corperations..[and family trusts..us]..owe the 'rest of us""

""having to share ..ll the spoils of our incursion,""

THEIR exploitation..or our COMMUNAL resources
serrvices utilities...[serve the common weal/the common good]

""a share of all investment
and development returns.""

less than 1% transaction tax
call it insurance payback...that ONLY GOES BACK to the living

ALL THE LIVING Get
an ewual share of their state's coin

""Must we,..the interlopers,
also accept reduced rights,""

lol..there is no interloper
understand..that you gave away your rights
and were betrayed..your living right was subverted [perverted]..into a fiction that saw dead corperate trusts..assume AWAY..your right's

[and you the ab-origonal...
made a slave to the dead corperate system]

""for we are not 'true' Australians?""

true
but your ab-ORIGONAL..from some where
by that right you share equally

""but Australia is now..a very different place
from the New Holland of old,""

yeah the army under governer generals
invaded these great south lands..[under lie of terra/nulious..[empty land]..but this land..LIKE THEIR homelands..wernt empty..[to wit..dead corperate trusts..pay the rent

""indigenous population..somewhat different
to their original forebears..at least as far as opportunity is concerned.""

yep we had concensus
NO CHIEFS..[only elders..with the same rights as ANY OTHER]
till the corperate invader[the crown]...bought [put]all revolt down

""We are a distinctly multicultural nation now,""

yes outcast ab/oriigonals..from all over
but NONE OF US GAVE AWAY ..our freeborn rights
lets RECLAIM them together[and redesign governance that works for all..not just those needing govt licence

""Should the world..now
become a hotbed of litigation for loss of rights?""

the bible allready layed out the plan man
the 'fruits of the tree of life''
[rebuild our governance structures/systems
LOCALLY..into schools...if you live there..your rule.is heard there

""class action?""

its their system...lol
..our system only needs the same oppertuinities
[and if they then go broke..via democratic/capitalism trible rules]

""can we reach an amicable/'agreement'?""

yes..

but only via local consensus
[local decree..local vote..[referendum!]

""reparation..be based on original use of territory,
on loss of earnings..(or survival equivalent),
and with damages..for pain
and suffering of course?
How much?""..

the tools/means
to rebuild and repair their local system
then underwrite its sustainability/survivability]

""double-dipping?""

you must be in person
at the relitive circle[mens./,,or womens]
held at the same time...in every school...you get paid..in coin)

credited at the bank
the same ammount to all attending
[and no more than 10%..held in trust]

...we areover governed...all services
are for sale to the highest bidder...the system is failing..

we need a new narrative
one that includes all of us..[together]
even them we dont like that much...but who have the skills

that ends in the lasting peace
a peace for all..not pieces

why..i found the wikiseed/wikigeld..[google it]

How Will..The American Economy..Die?
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/how-will-american-economy-die-by.html

by Russell D.Longcore..""have been writing..about secession now at DumpDC.com
http://www.dumpdc.com/
since May of 2009.

One of the constant themes..of my writings is that secession is not going to happen..in America until and unless the economy collapses.

AFTER it collapses...A lot of what I’ve written has been perception, conjecture and prediction based in reason.. But much of that conjecture and many of those predictions are now coming true.

It’s not a case of “If,”..like there was a possibility that America could avoid collapse...Now, it’s simply a countdown to inevitability.

The following is a plausible
and likely scenario of the death..of the American economy.

First,the money goes.

The world economic system..is built upon two things:
(1) fractional reserve banking and (2) fiat money.

There is not one nation..on earth
that has a commodity-based money and currency.""

except the wikseed/
sovereign..*promise of weight..of hemp/seed..[in lbs/penny weight
dollar weights/shilling weights..etc]

""Keynesian economics,..taught in nearly every college Econ curriculum,..is so ubiquitous…so ingrained…that it is like the dye colors in your shirt.

No amount of washing..gets the dye out.
ya needc a new shirt!
new licence!

Is there a banker/lawyer/polition/per..on earth
that does not use fractional reserve banking?

Money*..is created out of thin air
and pumped into the world economy.[nice franchise]

It would be impossible..without fiat currency…the currency considered to be money..because some government[sovereign][..authoised trust]..says that it is.

When your currency..is backed by..“the full faith and credit of” your government,..and nothing else,..and your government goes broke…your currency is not far behind.

In the regular world,..issuing paper money
with nothing behind it..is called “Counterfeiting.”

continues at/link

but globally..the fiat securitised system is failing
we need the new system...a peoples system[sepperation of powers/sexes

pay our own way...locally!
[own banks/money credit media etc]..

ps
i also made claim..upon expired patent..[google please/note]
search wikiseed/wikigeld..it is all explained

plus roads/paths..boundry lines
[the width of..the actual line.. on the maps..!]

for all of ya/AB'0'..$

plus
no_one complained[ok i survived/spearing]

we all win...once we wade through..the lies and spin
forget sin/blame/shame..we all win..!