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Doctors vs midwives : Comments

By Linda Atkins, published 16/8/2011

Is the age old debate between doctors and midwives taking a toll on childbirth mortality itself?

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Linda if you want to understand why women choose homebirth then you need to take a closer look at what is turning women away from hospitals. Massive unnecessary intervention rates, fractured care, no continuity of care, being attended to by busy strangers at one of the most intimate times of your life, - there are NSW hospitals with 30% episiotomy rates and private hospitals with over 50% caesarean rates. This is why women choose to birth at home with private midwives.

What about the women who have lost their babies due to the actions of doctors and hospital staff? Sadly it happens far too often and when you judge women and the midwives who care for them at home you fail to recognise why there is a global push for homebirth and better access to midwifery care. There was a 30% rise in homebirths in USA between 2004- 2008 - why? Because maternity care in the USA is in a terrrible state - Between 1996 and 2006, the maternal death rate in California tripled, in large part because of unnecessary cesarean sections. I suggest you attend the annual Homebirth Australia Conference on this weekend and meet some of the women who choose homebirth and the professional midwives (and doctors) who support them - more details here:
http://homebirthaustralia.org/
Posted by michelle_m, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 8:52:41 AM
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'Hospitals are, after all, centres for 'birth rape''

Hahahaha!

Yeah I'm a long term fan of the Birth Rape.

Good work.

So much analysis and agonising though, when it's all trend based really. Having a baby is a commercialised activity, and every avenue has been marketed.

We live in a society where the middleclass people with no drug or financial issues, that care about their kids and are never going to do them too much damage, are fretting about every little decision and sending 6 month old babies to Gymberoo and Swimming lessons, and breast feeding until 5 years old and having the kids wrapped up in muslin on their chest 24/7 until they're one - Yet refusing to vaccinate them.

They don't want to be left out, or left behind, and be laughed at by the other mothers because their 1 year old isn't learning to speak Japanese yet.

Home birthing is just part of this Yuppie/Hippie fad. Part of the 'Big-Pharma is evil' and doctors are Birth-Rapists who dare to challenge that web site you like with 30 years of medical experience and training.

So, in the end, doesn't matter what you or any other doctor may say, 'Natural' is best these days.

Maybe you doctors should embrace whale songs, to get with the vibe of the new breed of nature loving control freak mothers out there.
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:45:24 AM
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http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/sensual/orgasmic.html
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:52:40 AM
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The key sentence in this article is: "Who is to blame for these tragedies?"

Why blame?

and

Why a tragedy?

Death is the most natural phenomena, why see it as an enemy?

We all experienced death before we were born and we shall all experience it again - so why make a big deal out of it?

It appears that doctors, and western governments, abuse the scare of death for their own advantage, for their own success. It is clear why THEY do it - it makes them look good, to seem like our "saviours", it gives them energy and a [temporary] sense of meaning, but why should we take part in their career ambitions? why should we sacrifice our souls for the chance of keeping our bodies around a little longer?

The medical persuation makes it their top priority to extend the duration of our bodies, but in doing so, they condemn us to a [longer] life of anxiety, whereby instead of coming to terms with our inevitable death, thus freeing our energies to make the best of the time that we have here, our energies are so caught up in anxiety that we have none left for a meaningful life. We then treat death as "tragedy" and turn to them, to the doctors, for a further extension. And it doesn't end with anxiety - we also get a lifetime where instead of celebrating the inevitable, we feel guilty about it, about our inability to prevent the unpreventable, and when we can no longer contain this guilt, we turn to blame others instead: what a kind of life it then becomes that we are so eager to prolong?

Thus, doctors sacrifice the quality of life for duration.

Natural birth can be a spiritually-transforming experience. When not poisoned by anxiety and guilt, natural birth can be one of life's most magical moments.

Doctors try to make us believe that life is measured in years, but the truth is, that life is measured in moments!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 2:25:37 PM
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Yuyutsu,

'Doctors try to make us believe that life is measured in years, but the truth is, that life is measured in moments'

Spoken like someone who has already lead a full life.

'When not poisoned by anxiety and guilt, natural birth can be one of life's most magical moments.'

Orgasmic even!

I'll take the benefit of first world medical intervention thanks. Mothers dying during childbirth and high infant mortality are so passť.
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 2:32:23 PM
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i would ask all of you to consider a few salient facts.

the article author is in the minority in being a female specialist obststrician.

52% of graduating medical students have been female (for ages) but they avoid becoming specialists like the plague. Most importantly those few who do specialise avoid obstetrics & other specialities that are considered to be "hard work".

in larger numbers than male doctors, they gravitate towards general practice &/or other areas of medicine that provide for a 9 to 5 job like psychiatry, research, etc.

Think about it, it is sunday morning & mother's day, your husband, children are fussing about organising breakfast in bed while you ly in reading the sunday papers, watch insiders, etc. Do really want that spoiled by your pager going off because one of your customers just went into labour.

survey after survey has shown that women with "high flying careers" sooner or later turn clucky, marry a man whose career is at least equal to or higher than their own, then throttle back to off work or part time at best & making babies, or trying to.

think about it? is it good value for money to put somebody who only ever intends to work part time through at least 2 degrees over 10 years or more?
Posted by Formersnag, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 3:14:18 PM
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