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Right-Populist monopoly media attempts to ‘deprive carbon debate of oxygen' : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 3/6/2011

This ‘trivialisation’ of politics in Australia is a regular phenomena, and perhaps a deliberate one, having the effect of weakening our democracy.

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If Gillard Labor wants to transfer money from the rich to the poor they have every right to do so: but they should do it honestly as a stated policy goal, not in an underhanded way that attempts to exploit the (rapidly fading) public hysteria over 'climate change'. Any incidental benefits that may derive from this tax don't effect the fact that it is triggered by panic over a non-existent problem which -- even if it existed -- the tax would do nothing to alleviate anyway.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 3 June 2011 7:32:08 AM
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oh boo hoo, the overly well funded alarmist academia, getup and unions amongst many others including the Children's Climate Crusade, who get the majority of media coverage .. including nearly 99% of (your) ABC coverage, are crying "not fair"

Come off it, trying to claim underdog status is not going to work. Now the government and their pet idiots are spending money far and wide on campaigns, advertising, ganging up on a blogger to try to shut down advertisers on his show. It's a huge concerted effort to convince the public that a big new tax is a good thing.

So what do we get, whining over one media group who is playing down the middle and doing what journalists should, and report, not like Fairfax or the ABC or others who try to create.

News Ltd is not in the anti AGW camp, but to the alarmists if you're not way over on their side .. you must be against them.

It's still a democracy here, though the alarmists would like to suspend that, and it's OK to have some of the media disagree with the government and their groupthink lackies.

Now even Tristan thinks he has to throw his weight in .. look if it is taking all this effort and you still can't convince the rest of Australia .. maybe you're the ones on the wrong side of reason, as much as you all clearly hate that .. the Australian public is not going to take well to being bullied and blustered and BS'd into a corner for a relatively small and very loud group of activists.

You're in the minority, get over it and stop with the denial of the obvious .. see what I did there, I pointed out that the alarmists are actually in denial that the rest of Australia is not going along with this silly hysteria.

It will infuriate the true believers, because they cannot understand what's happening so have to blame someone, to the rest of us, it's obvious.
Posted by rpg, Friday, 3 June 2011 8:03:53 AM
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"If Gillard Labor wants to transfer money from the rich to the poor they have every right to do so:" Hear hear! The carbon debate is over. The Australian people are more in favour of excepting Climate Change than the war in Afghanistan and anyone who thinks humans are not changing the world and its environments, are the one's that are in REAL denial.
The short answer is a simple one: to reduce the impact of climate change, we need to reduce global warming. That means producing fewer carbon dioxide emissions and it might mean using less energy or using it more efficiently (doing the same things with less energy or better technology). In practice, reducing emissions is both very simple and very hard.

It's very simple for any one of us to reduce our personal carbon dioxide emissions. You can replace the incandescent lamps in your home (ones that make light by getting hot) and use energy-saving fluorescent lamps instead. You can switch your utility company so more of your electricity is made from renewable energy. Or you could bicycle, walk, or take the bus from time to time instead of using your car. You could put on a jumper instead of turning on the heating, open your windows instead of using the air-con, and drive with better fuel economy in mind. These things are all very easy to do and will make an immediate difference. But are they enough?

The science is over-whelming and if the tax has a spin off to helping the poor and families Iam for it. Taxing the rich is exactly whats needed to be done, and to keep the business people happy, give them something they can benefit from. Reform right across the board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXqOLXSZ5Xs

LEA
Posted by Quantumleap, Friday, 3 June 2011 9:47:07 AM
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Dear Tristan, sad times indeed. For many years now there are those who are convinced that the AGW alarm phenomena is political rather than scientific (silly I know). That it is a deliberate attempt to tax capitalism and industrialization and as a direct result it is a trivialization that weakens our democratic rights.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not just taken the case made against politicized alarmism and turned it around? Is your case so weak that you have resorted to the skeptic’s handbook?

The last refuge of political scoundrel is to lay blame. It's not your fault that your case is so flawed that it has become toxic. It not your fault that thanks to the internet we flat earthers can see two sides of each debate and it’s not your fault that the government is making an absolute hash of it and further damaging the cause. It is not your fault that the severely degrading and increasingly embarrassing alarmist cause is going to leave you looking really, really silly.

So what can you do? I know, you could blame the “Right-Populist monopoly media”!

You remind me of a party balloon with a leak, slowly deflating as it circulates the room going eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

The real hypocrisy of course is in your attempt to defend our democracy by your attack on sections of our media and, forgive me for reminding you of this fact, is it not our free press that is one of the cornerstones of our democracy? Ouch, sorry, I know that hurt.

What you are telegraphing of course, is the threat you perceive and that which gives you the night terrors, is the potential for exposure from a more inquisitive media.

Australians have an intuitive grasp of fair play. They are members of “Get It” not “Get Up”.

Anyway, we wish you well and please keep doing all those things that are contrary to your self interest.

PS. Your application for membership of “Get It” has been rejected on the grounds of not getting any of it.
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 3 June 2011 9:48:08 AM
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On Page One of this Article ,Tristan Ewins comments on Liberal Senator George Brandis saying ' that 'Labor is addicted to debt,' 'cannot handle money' etc.

Erwins then makes the extrodinary comment....

He said this not because it is true, but rather because Liberal focus groups MUST BE reporting that these kinds of truisms 'resonate' with the public.

What a statement... He calls Brandis a liar because someone/thing MUST BE reporting etc etc.

Then, I realized that this Article was going to be total rubbish, directed at the looney left zealots.

I stopped reading it there
Posted by Aspley, Friday, 3 June 2011 9:53:15 AM
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Tristan,

Remember the campaign against work choices. The ALP and unions used exactly the same tactics. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and aimed firmly at the ALP backside.

The silly compulsory voting system encourages the the donkey vote, and the intellectual argument you are trying to push mainly resonates with the 15% high achievers that are faced with no compensation.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 3 June 2011 10:02:45 AM
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