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Graduates and taxpayer must pay more for a world class university system : Comments

By Alan Robson, published 3/11/2010

Should university graduates pay fifty percent more for their education?

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I believe in the user pays principal, that is: Who gains the benefit of well-educated employees? Employers. Therefore, if your business/organisation seeks to employ graduates over other candidates, you should pay for this privilege. I am sure there could be a mechanism to facilitate this based on how many and what type of graduates you seek to employ. Maybe the unseen hand will come into play and we may see lesser-qualified employees.
If we think education is expensive, we should try ignorance
Posted by Tobor, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 9:58:30 AM
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“The funding review panel should interpret the terms of reference broadly, to ensure that fundamental questions are asked – and answered”

While at it, should you not formulate what you call ‘fundamental questions’ and help us understand what they are according to you, without tinkering with our curiosity?’
Posted by skeptic, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 12:07:02 PM
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Sorry Alan, you got that all wrong mate.

What must happen is that the higher education sector must take a serious look at it self. For far too long those needing to use the system have been treated as useful idiots, getting very little bang for their buck, & the tax payer has been treated as the village idiot cash cow.

You have expanded way beyond the available talent, & your reputations are rapidly going down hill, as they deserve.

Fortunately our mining industry has a many times greater productivity than your sector, or we’d all be broke, you included.

So mate, get out of that chair, & get to work. You could start by hiring a few industry efficiency experts, god knows you need some changes. I know a good firm of removalists who can get all those feather beds out of there for you, to start with.

With things as bad as they are, a tippling of productivity should come pretty easily, the next doubling will take a bit of work. After that, with a real improvement in management the sector may be able to grow to be valued & respected, as it once was.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 2:31:14 PM
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Tobor

You have your principle right, but I think your application is wrong. True, graduates are more valuable to employers than non-graduates, but in a competitive labour market this means employers have to pay more for graduates – it is the graduate who gains. Hence a real ”user pays” system would see graduates contributing more to their education costs in recognition of the greater earning power their education confers.

Not al of the benefits are captured by the graduates, however. There are also spin offs to the wider society from having a more educated workforce and citizenry. Hence there is a case for some government subsidy as well as user fees.
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 2:55:01 PM
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Anyone is free to correct me, but I gather that the heads of
our top universities, earn around 700k$ a year.

Given that taxpayers funds are involved here, can that sort of spending really be justified?

It seems to me that no matter how much we throw at education,
they will always spend it and always want even more.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:41:21 PM
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"Since the Government wants more Australians - including more students from disadvantaged backgrounds – to go to university"

Why, what possible purpose is served by that when the trades in Australia are desperately short of suitable young men and women? What precisely is the point of thousands of students wasting their time and taxpayer money on soft degrees which only prepare them for a job in the public service or for a place in the Centrelink queue? That is not to oppose such study but merely to point out the obvious, it is study that could be better completed outside of a university degree and outside of a university, even by on-line learning or through a TAFE.

It is foolish to continue to put such strong emphasis on university as the next logical step from secondary school and disregarding the practical purposes to which the study might be put on graduation. Girls especially are poorly served in that regard by well-meaning but cocooned teachers who have little exposure to the world outside of education. Such pressure magnifies the stress many students suffer in secondary schooling.
Posted by Cornflower, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 7:07:00 PM
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