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A brief submission to the Climate Change Committee : Comments

By Geoff Carmody, published 28/10/2010

A climate change solution which can be calibrated to the levels of skepticism and support of global warming in the community.

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There's a fourth group you haven't taken into account - those who believe that climate change is a given, and that regardless of what causes it, humans won't be able to do anything about it - witness Copenhagen. Therefore, take the worst case scenarios, and prepare for them. See the Copenhagen Consensus (the Consensus, not the Convention), and the UN Millennium Goals. Of course the reason we don't want to get our heads out of the sand is that these solutions are far too difficult politically - much easier to believe that the politicians and other experts can solve the problem with the odd tax or two. What we should be doing we should be doing regardless of climate change.
Posted by Anamele, Thursday, 28 October 2010 9:15:19 AM
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If The Media Had Covered Climate Change As Well As They Did Toyota……….
“It is a well known fact that the vast majority of scientists all agreed that *climate change (* ”unstoppable warming“-IPCC ) was real and humans were contributing to the warming of the planet.”

The truth was, that what precisely they were all agreeing on, was that the effects could range from unstoppable warming to as little as not being measurable at all. If they had all been sure of unstoppable warming, you would have seen the scientists marching instead of the believers. Even the consensus scientists had differing views on how CO2 could ultimately effect the planet. So science got a free pass when the crisis they predicted “was” and “wasn‘t” a danger.
That is why the scientists all agreed.
Questions: How many more consensus scientists have to break ranks for you fading believers to start doubting Climate Change and what has to happen now to prove us deniers were correct ?
Posted by mememine69, Thursday, 28 October 2010 10:54:39 AM
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"I think the choice is between a national emissions consumption-based "cap and trade" scheme (with no offshore permit trading), and a national consumption-based emissions levy. Evidence favours the latter."

There is always a default choice -- 'do nothing'. This is the rational choice when there is extreme uncertainty about whether there is anything to stop, whether it should be stopped, whether it can be stopped, and whether the cost of stopping it will grossly exceed any benefits. The average temperature range from season to season around the globe is about 10-15 degrees Celsius, and we cope with that perfectly well every year, polar bears and all. There is no reason to rush into badly-thought-out and under-researched policies to address an alleged problem which -- if it exists at all -- is going to produce temperature changes of something like .2 of a degree per decade: particularly when even the advocates of drastic change admit that it will have a negligible effect anyway. As for 'evidence favours the latter' -- what evidence?
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 28 October 2010 12:49:30 PM
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There's acknowledgement here that scepticism is respectable and the author makes reference to the recent "dark ages" approach where sceptics are ignored, silenced and ostracised. Testimony from prominent sceptics and the content of the "climategate" emails confirms much of this. The unprofessional conduct of televised "flat earther" name calling by the IPCC chief probably also deserved a mention here.
In any case, having acknowledged the suppression of science the author brushes this aspect aside and guides us through the sales pitch for his preferred type of insurance policy.
Can we get back to the science please?
Posted by CO2, Thursday, 28 October 2010 1:55:28 PM
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Primitive - and not so "primitive" - cultures project their fears onto Nature. Climate change, today's cause celebre, is such a case. It has become this century's secular God. Mysterious, incomprehensible and appropriated by various alarmist authorities - states, churches, political parties, green economists, activists, etc - to serve their own ends and schemes while, naturally, "saing the planet". A breath-taking delusion that will be around probably as long as the two-millennia belief in a Supreme Being?

Magna est veritas et praevalebit!

Alice (in Warmerland)
Posted by Alice Thermopolis, Thursday, 28 October 2010 5:02:00 PM
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Skepticism has lost the battle in Australia, the greens do not tolerate dissent and now that they control the ALP's decision making - it's over, we lost.

There never was a debate in our society, there were opinion pieces and the odd blog or fora like this.

Climate conferences in Australia are either believer or skeptical - at skeptical conferences, believers were invited. At believer conferences, skeptics were not invited and lambasted through the events.

A pity, as science is the loser in the main. People with a bent towards control and big government have won, and we'll see how that goes.

A price now on Carbon (not CO2, that was too complex) will eventuate, and I'm sure we'll see the "world" temperature drop. In realityland, that tax will go to general revenue and be p*ssed away by big spending greens and the ALP as usual.

I'm OK, I can afford to move where I like or even overseas should this land become an idiot's paradise for the next few years. People will eventually wake up to the outcomes of this religion, they always do, in the meantime I can only hope the stuff ups are big enough for people to realize what a folly this is. probably take 10 to 20 years though, but by then AGW will I expect, be a complete joke. As I said earlier, the sciences will suffer for this folly as well.
Posted by rpg, Friday, 29 October 2010 6:30:49 AM
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