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The Greens: fuelling the forest debate : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 17/8/2010

The Bushfires Commission exposes the folly of the Greens’ forest lock-up plan.

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Until the Greens understand that Australian forests are different to the deciduous forests of Europe and Asia they will continue to advocate locking up our forests.
In 1981 the Cain Government saw a great reduction of Government personnel in our forests. At that time, outdoor workers were on a ratio of 3,600 ha per. By 2005, the ratio was 8,000ha per outdoor worker.
Admin staff in 1981 were 114. By 2005 there were 624. (Source: National Parks Act, Annual Reports for 1981 and 2005)
Kicking out Timber, Cattle and Apiary indistries have contributed to a lack of knowledgeable manpower to attack the seat of a fire in a short time.
Fire fighting teams have to be assembled and then driven for hours to attack the fires. 4WD Clubs are rewarded for maintaining fire access tracks.
Federal Government financial assistance where fires are out of control incite a relaxed attitude to fire fighting. Professional fire fighters can earn more when fires burn longer
Posted by phoenix94, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 1:35:11 PM
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Hi Mark,

Your article strikes a chord with me, having seen first hand the destruction of so much of the Ash forests of the Snowys in 2003 due to rampant wildfire.

Looking at the vast dead forests in kosciusko NP, I was struck by 2 points - 1. If logging had caused such mass destruction of forest & imapct on water catchments the Forestry Commision would have been hung out to dry (the NPWS congratulated themselves for their efforts when rain finally put the fires out). 2. The $ loss of this potentially valuable timber resource would be huge - all burned to the ground for the sake of the 'protection' ideology.

The National Parks of NSW are certainly begining to take their role as a fire management agency more seriously now, but I still can't help but wonder why we choose to let so much of our forest simply burn, rather than be harvested sustainably.

The end of native forest harvesting in Australia, as supported by the greens, would lead to 4 outcomes:
1. A greater incidence of unmanaged forest with extreme wildfires,
2. Massive increases in management costs for state governments (already in the order of $500Million/yr in NSW)
3. The end of natural Australian hardwoods timbers (a truly great shame)
4. The further separation of Australian society from its environment.

All these things are detrimental to our scoiety.

Let's hope no government is prepared to suffer these costs for the sake of political convenience.

Support free-range, organic timber: Don't vote Green!
Posted by Dean K, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 3:44:55 PM
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What are the GREENS on about ?

Is it the enviromment?

or..something else.

http://habitat.igc.org/vancouver/vp-d.htm

...read the first sentence of the preamble.

NOW...see how such thinking has been translated into destroying freedom, acquiring power, channeling wealth into the hands of the environmental elite few... backed by powerful foundations.. with fat cat salaries..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7934453684194357754#

After viewing that video...you will never trust a Green again, any further than you can kick one.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 7:40:00 PM
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Shamefully I must admit I wasn't aware of this absurd Greens policy. Where do they expect us to get our timber from? Some pretty little rainforest by the Amazon River?
Good forestry management here decreases poor forestry management elsewhere. It also upholds local jobs/communities, supports the economy and -as Mark has admirably demonstrated- tends a forest system that cannot now revert back to pre-european form while we remain a part of it. It's a no brainer.
Posted by young forester, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 7:47:57 PM
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That's a predictably one-sided opinion piece Mark.

No mention of climate change.

No mention of the impact of landscape scale modification of forests from past and present logging operations and how that might influence bushfire. In particular no mention of how clearfelling predisposes forest to catastrophic fire.

No discussion of how inappropriate application of fire in forest might exacerbate the risk of catastrophic fire.

Hopefully more money will be spent getting to better understand historical fire regimes and the impacts of present and proposed regimes.
Posted by maaate, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 11:12:11 PM
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Maate

Writing an opinion article constrained by limited space inherently leads to the appearance of putting a one-sided view. I would need to write a book to address all the matters which you have accused me of avoiding.

I will say though that your raising of those matters (with the exception of climate change) suggests a lack of perspective of their respective environmental impact compared to uncontrolled severe summer bushfires burning in heavy forest fuel accumulations, and in some cases, a lack of real understanding as to whether they actually have an impact (ie. clearfelling and regenerating forests).

With regard to climate change - the concept of doing more fuel reduction burning to avoid much bigger, hotter, and more destructive summer bushfires is certainly the better option than just locking-up forests and hoping for the best ala the Greens forest policy.
Posted by MWPOYNTER, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 8:38:43 AM
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