Nina appears to begin with blaming the Australian Refugee Review Tribunal (ARRT) and then switches to blaming the courts. This is after referring to a favourable decision by the High Court.

My understanding is that the ARRT is not a court and is better described as an arm of the executive government. The executive government's and Parliament's might call the ARRT "independent" but its members are only appointed for 5 years. Judges of courts have life tenure. This life tenure is one of the true hallmarks of an independent judiciary and it is something the ARRT lacks.

It means that the ARRT members have an interest in handing down decisions which are favourable to the executive government lest they not be reappointed for another 5 years.

Nina may have cases to which she can refer and that show that the courts are incompetent but I suspect its really the incompetence of the ARRT and not the courts to which Nina is referring.

The ARRT is not a court and that we have an executive government and Parliament that pretends that it is independent is in itself a separate and equally - perhaps more - troubling issue.

LBGT Australians have a well founded fear of persecution too but wouldn't be able to go to another country and claim refugee status. Unfortunately, we can only help so many people. Lets make sure that they are the most downtrodden refugees possible.

Gee thanks Nina. Where does this guy fit into your lovely day dream world?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1057437/acrobat-knowingly-spread-hiv-police

Sexual extremes like "Frigidity" or "Nymphomania" are psychological conditions or symptoms of other, psychological conditions. They usually are the result of childhood abuse, but can also come from partner abuse in adult life. That's why so many middle aged men, turn gay after separation & divorce.

Don't believe me, ask counselors working with "Survivors" (listening are we, Cotter? Pynchme?). Same goes for almost all, Gay, Lesbian & Transgender lifestyle.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1058117/acrobat-remanded-in-custody-in-hiv-case

But please, there are Aussie War Veterans sleeping rough, ordinary Aussies waiting on hospital waiting lists, Housing Commission waiting lists, while the taxpayers fund refugees staying in 3 star motels, or empty hospital buildings, please, lets bring some more of them hear to bankrupt our nation on the eve of GFC #2.

But "wait, there's more" please, lets make sure we don't just bring, more, ordinary people, lets bring in more deviants & nutcases, while we are at it.

"Please, Send us some more, Nina, send us some more"

Could policy having the effect of weakening our economy, be described as Economic Treason?

Formersnag - the acrobat you are referring to was engaging in hetero sex and may have infected straight and bisexual women.

The issues you raise about veterans etc are legitimate issues but wholly unrelated to the Federal govt. allowing refugees into the country. They're more so about bureaucratic bungling, political incompetence, and can simply come down to a general lack of compassion for others that as humans we display all the time. The same lack of compassion you appear to be demonstrating.

Veterans fought for many reasons - many of them personal to each veteran - but one of the broader reasons for us to have fought or why we fight in any war is for freedom. Freedom from oppression, oppression of a class similar to the very oppression that these gays face throughout their lives.

twistoflime, if Jesus was here in OZ right now, i have no doubt that he would NOT be a "westie bogan" in Sydney, travelling to Oxford street with 12 fellow gang members to "Bash Poofters" every week.

That does not however, also mean that he would offer to lead the, "Mardi Gras" marry gay, lesbian, or transgender couples in church, arrange for them to adopt children, offer free medicare IVF to a woman who is too squeamish to have normal sex with a gentleman, etc, etc, etc.

There is a difference between "tolerating" minorities & actively promoting them. Especially if that involves encouraging immorality, or bankrupting yourself in order to throw out the welcome mat to everybody, from all over the world.

The incompetence you mentioned has been with us for 4 or 5 decades now. I'm sure Noel Pearson & other first Australian's are also tired of waiting for their slice of the economic pie.

Formersnag

My understanding of Jesus and the Bible was that he never said anything about gays nor did anything to condemn gays. At best the Bible is unclear as to what Jesus' views on homosexuality would be. And also it is unclear what his views would have been on all those issues you have just raised. You simply have no idea and at best are speculating.

We are not even close to bankrupting ourselves because of refugees. It might become a problem but it isn't one now. Most welfare is not spent on immigrants and refugees. No doubt the tax exemptions and subsidies that the Churches receive are far more expensive than the cost of allowing in refugees.

The expense of allowing in refugees is not a great financial expense and especially not in the context of our entire budget.

Don't dress-up a mostly emotional position in pseudo-economics. We build tunnels and roads that cost immensely more money.